Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
We also lack leaders
Players who make others stand up and step up
I’d throw £100m at Anderson and see if we can tempt him and forest
He is a game changing midfielder who does everything our players can’t
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*** Tottenham Hotspur Vs Forest *** OMT
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Players who make others stand up and step up
I’d throw £100m at Anderson and see if we can tempt him and forest
He is a game changing midfielder who does everything our players can’t
parj
Jamie O'Hara
This is the most important thing for me with any manager. If it looks like we are going the right way, then I can take the results along the journey. But with Jose, Conte,Nuno,Ange and TF, the early days were better, and we got worse as time went on. That only happens as the manager ideas get across because they have more time.
I'm not saying sack TF but he isn't the right guy. He wants to play counter attack, he has no plan with the ball. But his defence is making more mistakes than at the beginning, and we still don't create many chances. Not a good combo
Xavi is looking stronger but he did give the ball away a fair bit today (but who didn't). Gray I thought showed great mentality after that error and is going to be a star. Muani always looks decent, but this just makes it all the more concerning that as a footballing team we look constantly poor....
I thought Muani was pretty anonymous today and didn't offer much quality when he got on the ball. Simons shrunk out of the game for periods whenever he got clattered
Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
Muani on the left still seems odd
He barely played there before we signed him and we’re doing it to accommodate the one touch wonder that is richy
I thought he tried to make things happen when he actually got the ball, albeit it didn't always come off. But he was hampered by being stuck out on the left and getting little quality ball really, but tbf I'm not sure being up front would have helped him much today....
They have looked ok together up front. But if we have to play both and just one up front would much prefer Muani to be CF and Richi come in from the left. But much prefer Odobert on the left really....
Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
Yep
Seems obvious but then Richy has been scoring and this ain’t a team with many scorers in it
Just saw this though
Tottenham have picked up just 22 points across their opening 16 Premier League games this season, their fewest since 2008-09.
That scary because ain’t that the season of 2 pts from 8 games …
Mikey10
Jimmy McCormick
Our support about Glasner after 5 games: “He doesn’t understand the history. It’s too defensive. Get rid!”
Our support about Iriaola after 10 games: “He’s running these players into the ground. Get rid!”
Cheers - I needed a laugh.
We should all be used to it after the last few years.
Junior19
Adel Taarabt
Well that was fun...
I see there are some who claim there were green shoots to behold on todays game. That is putting it to a stretch, and what's more, if there were any more than one single green shoot, it would jump above our "shots on goal"-tally on the statistic.
My word, that was an abyssmal performance!
Now, I get the "rebuild, settle, and missing players"-arguments. I'm fine with Thomas learning on the job, if indeed he is actually learning.
What I'm not fine with, is the lack of clarity, direction and plan. If we learned anything from the Ange-debaucle, it is that it is very possible indeed to get your plan, your idea and your direction across even if you have half your squad on the sick list. It didn't work, but no-one could doubt what our plan was, or how we were going to implement it.
What we have right now is a situation I dreaded more than a second coming of He Who Must Not Be Named. A situation where we just as well could have had a second coming of He Who Must Not Be Named. His whole style of football, his whole plan, was to be thight, compact, hit on counters with players largely at their own accord to build attacking moves. He created the foundation, and expected the creativity to come from the players.
But then atleast he created the foundation, and held up his side of the bargain! We were rather difficult to break down, we did defend rather well for long periods of time. And we were as interesting as the life and reproduction cycle of amoebas are to the general public.
This version with Thomas Frank? We're not hard to break down, we're not press resistant (to the contrary) and we're certainly not more interesting than the life and reproduction cycle of amoebas. We have no apparent attack plan beyond getting the ball wide, and cross. There seems to be no base play, no patterns or even any of Contes automations (thank ghod, though.)
And for all those who were screaming for a plan B, a plan C, from Ange last year... in the words of Delia Smith: "Where are you? Let's be having you!" Surely you are out there shouting your heads off from the rooftops for even a concept of a plan A this time?
At a point late in the second half I was yelling at the telly to get the players to start aiming their tackling at the players legs. Not because I wanted them to hurt anyone! But because we were so off pace that by aiming at the ball-carriers legs we might accidently end up tackling the person receiving the pass instead. Why are we constantly being outrun, outfought and outmuscled regardless of who we play? What on earth are we doing on the field and in the gym? We certainly aren't working our socks off on defensive organisation or attacking patterns, that much is clear.
(yeah, yeah, midweek-games, restitution, yadiyadiyadi)
I'm not calling for anyones head. Not me. Not yet. But someone will. And they will be baying for blood louder than ever since they've been successful twice in a year already, first with Ange, then with Levy. They've tasted it now, the blood.
Something has got to change. Fast! We've got Liverpool, Palace and Brentford next in the league. By this rate, we will start next year in the bracket of 14-17 place, on a steep downward spiral, with a bottomless pit below us. We might even drop deep enough for the filthy hammers to get within striking distance where they think they can relegate us. Imagine the boost they would get from that thought...
Do not think this team can't go down!
I see there are some who claim there were green shoots to behold on todays game. That is putting it to a stretch, and what's more, if there were any more than one single green shoot, it would jump above our "shots on goal"-tally on the statistic.
My word, that was an abyssmal performance!
Now, I get the "rebuild, settle, and missing players"-arguments. I'm fine with Thomas learning on the job, if indeed he is actually learning.
What I'm not fine with, is the lack of clarity, direction and plan. If we learned anything from the Ange-debaucle, it is that it is very possible indeed to get your plan, your idea and your direction across even if you have half your squad on the sick list. It didn't work, but no-one could doubt what our plan was, or how we were going to implement it.
What we have right now is a situation I dreaded more than a second coming of He Who Must Not Be Named. A situation where we just as well could have had a second coming of He Who Must Not Be Named. His whole style of football, his whole plan, was to be thight, compact, hit on counters with players largely at their own accord to build attacking moves. He created the foundation, and expected the creativity to come from the players.
But then atleast he created the foundation, and held up his side of the bargain! We were rather difficult to break down, we did defend rather well for long periods of time. And we were as interesting as the life and reproduction cycle of amoebas are to the general public.
This version with Thomas Frank? We're not hard to break down, we're not press resistant (to the contrary) and we're certainly not more interesting than the life and reproduction cycle of amoebas. We have no apparent attack plan beyond getting the ball wide, and cross. There seems to be no base play, no patterns or even any of Contes automations (thank ghod, though.)
And for all those who were screaming for a plan B, a plan C, from Ange last year... in the words of Delia Smith: "Where are you? Let's be having you!" Surely you are out there shouting your heads off from the rooftops for even a concept of a plan A this time?
At a point late in the second half I was yelling at the telly to get the players to start aiming their tackling at the players legs. Not because I wanted them to hurt anyone! But because we were so off pace that by aiming at the ball-carriers legs we might accidently end up tackling the person receiving the pass instead. Why are we constantly being outrun, outfought and outmuscled regardless of who we play? What on earth are we doing on the field and in the gym? We certainly aren't working our socks off on defensive organisation or attacking patterns, that much is clear.
(yeah, yeah, midweek-games, restitution, yadiyadiyadi)
I'm not calling for anyones head. Not me. Not yet. But someone will. And they will be baying for blood louder than ever since they've been successful twice in a year already, first with Ange, then with Levy. They've tasted it now, the blood.
Something has got to change. Fast! We've got Liverpool, Palace and Brentford next in the league. By this rate, we will start next year in the bracket of 14-17 place, on a steep downward spiral, with a bottomless pit below us. We might even drop deep enough for the filthy hammers to get within striking distance where they think they can relegate us. Imagine the boost they would get from that thought...
Do not think this team can't go down!
DeanoAustin
Cecil Poynton
Yeah I gave Gray stick for the goal but he was brave enough to come look for the ball and he was brave enough afterwards to try and get on it. Mistakes happen but the lad will be a top, top player.
Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
Just met a forest fan at the staytion
Said we were the a worst they have seen since the Brighton 7 nil game
Said we were the a worst they have seen since the Brighton 7 nil game
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Mikey10
Jimmy McCormick
Pretty conclusive that - impossible to argue with.
NLS
Jamie Redknapp
I looked at the table before the game and thought that a convincing win would possibly indicate we could compete near the top of the league...
A demoralising loss would mean we are just 2 points ahead of Fulham and would be looking downwards....
And we lost.... Pathetically....
I like Ben Davies as a player but at 2 nil down away from home he is not the answer....Xavi and Richy were poor all game and yet they played 90 minutes.... Those decisions by Frank make me seriously question his judgement...
A demoralising loss would mean we are just 2 points ahead of Fulham and would be looking downwards....
And we lost.... Pathetically....
I like Ben Davies as a player but at 2 nil down away from home he is not the answer....Xavi and Richy were poor all game and yet they played 90 minutes.... Those decisions by Frank make me seriously question his judgement...
It's amazing how many away fans he meets that corroborate his views
Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
Well he saw I had a spurs shirt on
But I do also talk to fans of other teams
Also spoke a West Ham fan who said they should have beaten villa
No idea if that’s true either
Maybe I shouldn’t post anything to a avoid having different views
SpurMeUp
Tommy Harmer
We gifted them two goals with individual mistakes.
When we broke we were tracked and couldn’t get ahead of the defence. The few times we had openings our passes was sloppy. We’d been improving our passing (at least in midfield) but today we just looked off.
For a time now there has been a lack of mental strength in this side. When things start to go wrong the confidence drains and we get worse. Part of that is the pressure. If we were a smaller club there wouldn’t be an expectation. Forest were physical, the crowd their 12th man. And our side lacks the fortitude to stand up in that environment. Mainly because we lack settled quality but also leadership as Bedford says. Maddison and Kulu are a huge loss, leaving us without a creative heart. Simons, Gray and Bergvall need time and patience. Good managers will help them develop but no one is going to download a couple of seasons of PL experience into them. You learn by making mistakes. So if we’re starting with these players - because they have some drive that much of the rest of the squad lacks - then fans should step back and expect some mistakes.
In hindsight Paulhina starting might have helped up there in a hostile environment. Get a foothold in the game and play our way into it. Then bring on Gray as space opens up and they tire. Once in the lead that Forest side is never going to be easy to play against especially with our lacklustre attack.
When we broke we were tracked and couldn’t get ahead of the defence. The few times we had openings our passes was sloppy. We’d been improving our passing (at least in midfield) but today we just looked off.
For a time now there has been a lack of mental strength in this side. When things start to go wrong the confidence drains and we get worse. Part of that is the pressure. If we were a smaller club there wouldn’t be an expectation. Forest were physical, the crowd their 12th man. And our side lacks the fortitude to stand up in that environment. Mainly because we lack settled quality but also leadership as Bedford says. Maddison and Kulu are a huge loss, leaving us without a creative heart. Simons, Gray and Bergvall need time and patience. Good managers will help them develop but no one is going to download a couple of seasons of PL experience into them. You learn by making mistakes. So if we’re starting with these players - because they have some drive that much of the rest of the squad lacks - then fans should step back and expect some mistakes.
In hindsight Paulhina starting might have helped up there in a hostile environment. Get a foothold in the game and play our way into it. Then bring on Gray as space opens up and they tire. Once in the lead that Forest side is never going to be easy to play against especially with our lacklustre attack.
Bullet
Paul Stewart
I thought Anderson was epic today, every time we tried to do something, he snapped in and stopped it.
If we ever beat Anderson, Sangare was there to mop up.
On the few occasions we wriggled past both Anderson and Sangare, Murillo would come smashing in and clean everything out.
We made Forest look incredibly good. They were 1 second faster in every situation.
We needed to be a lot more revved up and firing into challenges and fighting for our right to play football, but we wilted.
PS. When Bergvall and Palhinha came on, it was mostly Bergvall sitting in the 6 with Palhinha trying to race around and press, which made him look about 45 as he lumbered towards another challenge.
If we ever beat Anderson, Sangare was there to mop up.
On the few occasions we wriggled past both Anderson and Sangare, Murillo would come smashing in and clean everything out.
We made Forest look incredibly good. They were 1 second faster in every situation.
We needed to be a lot more revved up and firing into challenges and fighting for our right to play football, but we wilted.
PS. When Bergvall and Palhinha came on, it was mostly Bergvall sitting in the 6 with Palhinha trying to race around and press, which made him look about 45 as he lumbered towards another challenge.
Gazza Dazzla
Rafael Van Der Vaart
has anyone figured out the Davies for Spence substitution yet?
Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
As I said
Before some odd folks jumping on
The forest fan I got speaking to at Bedford station said we were the worst side they have played since the spanked Brighton 7 nil
I actually think this may be their biggest win since then too
Anderson is immense
Exactly want we’re missing
A player who leads by example and just does all the simple things so well