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To Dare is to do

Would you rather that Spurs play the most entertaining football, or one that wins titles


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That documentary was a) way too short, and b) quite poorly edited, I felt. It felt like each segment (Spurs history, youth team, present squad, stadium, To Dare is To Do) was quickly ended just when it was reaching full steam, and the next one introduced in a quite jarring way. It was somewhat difficult to really tell what McDermott was saying about our youth sides, or what that Aussie stadium architect bloke really meant when talking about various aspects of the development.

Especially when the guy doing the interviews (from the podcast @Dr Rosenrosen linked above) has an interviewing style that I think works better for radio and other non-visual programs (like podcasts) than it does on camera - slow, deliberate, leading questions that (oftentimes) went on for quite a bit. Look at the one with Lloris - where he tries to answer twice but the guy just keeps moving relentlessly forward with his query, not stopping until he's done getting it *all* out.

It's a style well-attuned to non-visual interview formats, I feel, but it didn't work as well in the documentary - when paired with the (imo) sub-par editing and time afforded to each segment, it felt a bit rushed.
 
That documentary was a) way too short, and b) quite poorly edited, I felt. It felt like each segment (Spurs history, youth team, present squad, stadium, To Dare is To Do) was quickly ended just when it was reaching full steam, and the next one introduced in a quite jarring way. It was somewhat difficult to really tell what McDermott was saying about our youth sides, or what that Aussie stadium architect bloke really meant when talking about various aspects of the development.

Especially when the guy doing the interviews (from the podcast @Dr Rosenrosen linked above) has an interviewing style that I think works better for radio and other non-visual programs (like podcasts) than it does on camera - slow, deliberate, leading questions that (oftentimes) went on for quite a bit. Look at the one with Lloris - where he tries to answer twice but the guy just keeps moving relentlessly forward with his query, not stopping until he's done getting it *all* out.

It's a style well-attuned to non-visual interview formats, I feel, but it didn't work as well in the documentary - when paired with the (imo) sub-par editing and time afforded to each segment, it felt a bit rushed.
I got peed off with the number of times they showed the same clips over and over, also with the constant repetition of the same comments throughout. Either it was intended for six-year-olds or they think all their viewers are a bit thick.
 
I got peed off with the number of times they showed the same clips over and over, also with the constant repetition of the same comments throughout. Either it was intended for six-year-olds or they think all their viewers are a bit thick.

To be fair, that is par for the course in North American TV shows/documentaries - what you see on our website is the version without the ad segments, so it seems like constant repetition, but watching it as it would have appeared on NBC means watching four 10-12 minute segments interspersed with 3-4 minute segments of big, f*ck-off advertisements of all stripes and sizes.

That kind of thing disorientates a lot of people, so it's harder to keep track of where the show is when it resumes after a barrage of color and noise - repetitions help in that regard. It's worse with sports like the NFL and hockey, where there are an innumerable number of ad-breaks (to an insane degree - there's actually an established formula for NFL replays that goes 'advertisement-touchdown-advertisement-touchback-advertisement'), but you do notice it in documentaries and TV shows too.
 
To be fair, that is par for the course in North American TV shows/documentaries - what you see on our website is the version without the ad segments, so it seems like constant repetition, but watching it as it would have appeared on NBC means watching four 10-12 minute segments interspersed with 3-4 minute segments of big, f*ck-off advertisements of all stripes and sizes.

That kind of thing disorientates a lot of people, so it's harder to keep track of where the show is when it resumes after a barrage of color and noise - repetitions help in that regard. It's worse with sports like the NFL and hockey, where there are an innumerable number of ad-breaks (to an insane degree - there's actually an established formula for NFL replays that goes 'advertisement-touchdown-advertisement-touchback-advertisement'), but you do notice it in documentaries and TV shows too.

Argh! Remind me never to take a trip Stateside. :eek:
 
Argh! Remind me never to take a trip Stateside. :eek:

Hey, remember never to make a trip stateside. :p

Nah, I think everyone should visit the States at least once. There's no other country on Earth with as many wonderful people, places and reservoirs of history crammed into it - *even accounting for* their strange passiveness with regard to the fact that their sports are literally vehicles for commercials and nothing more.
 
Argh! Remind me never to take a trip Stateside. :eek:

i worked and played in the States for a few years back in the 70's, what used to really tinkle me off watching a film on the TV in bed after midnight, because of the sodding adverts a 2 hour film was turned into a 4 hour one. :mad:

However as Dubai said it is a amazing country full of great people, and the places to see are endless.
 
I got peed off with the number of times they showed the same clips over and over, also with the constant repetition of the same comments throughout. Either it was intended for six-year-olds or they think all their viewers are a bit thick.

It was made for a US audience...

;)

Seriously though it does seem, from watching a bit of their TV from time to time, that half of a shows allotted time is spent recapping whats happened and advertising whats coming up later - with the other half being actual content. Strange, they must have terrible attention spans
 
It was made for a US audience...

;)

Seriously though it does seem, from watching a bit of their TV from time to time, that half of a shows allotted time is spent recapping whats happened and advertising whats coming up later - with the other half being actual content. Strange, they must have terrible attention spans
The online version ran without commercials but kept the tease/coming up sections, hence the repetition. If you'd watched 'live' there would have been 4 minutes of burger/viagra adverts in between. But even without that there is a short attention sp...
 
To be fair, that is par for the course in North American TV shows/documentaries - what you see on our website is the version without the ad segments, so it seems like constant repetition, but watching it as it would have appeared on NBC means watching four 10-12 minute segments interspersed with 3-4 minute segments of big, f*ck-off advertisements of all stripes and sizes.

That kind of thing disorientates a lot of people, so it's harder to keep track of where the show is when it resumes after a barrage of color and noise - repetitions help in that regard. It's worse with sports like the NFL and hockey, where there are an innumerable number of ad-breaks (to an insane degree - there's actually an established formula for NFL replays that goes 'advertisement-touchdown-advertisement-touchback-advertisement'), but you do notice it in documentaries and TV shows too.

Indeed. The News at 10 format. Tell them what you are going to tell them; tell them ; and then , tell them what you have told them. It oftentimes takes that format to properly sink in.
 
1. Everyone is right about the American TV format, with the intros and outros between adverts.

2. Rog Bennett's background is as a print journalist, documentary filmmaker and podcast host, who is relatively new to TV. Hence his style.

3. This piece on Spurs is one of a series on various (some might say lesser-known) EPL clubs for ESPN in the States - previous ones featured Southampton, Crystal Palace, Bournemouth, Leicester, and Sunderland. So they are a bit rudimentary and intended for U.S. audiences. Only a diehard Spurs fan would think that a 90-minute overview chronicling the history of THFC through the present day would be too short and not comprehensive enough!
 
Yes there is
Yes there is
And
Are you flucking kidding me?
Jesus Christ

Nope, there isn't.
Nope, there isn't.
And
Great rebuttal there, guy - really convinced me with such an intelligent counter-argument!
Jesus Christ, indeed.
 
Nope, there isn't.
Nope, there isn't.
And
Great rebuttal there, guy - really convinced me with such an intelligent counter-argument!
Jesus Christ, indeed.

Think @Bullet was just keeping it on theme.
You know a Trump kind of response to a ridiculous statement.
If it's good enough for the POTUS it's good enough for bullet.
 
I guess it really depends on your definition of what makes a country 'great' but American is far from being the 'greatest country' by any benchmark I can think of, unless we are comparing destructive power.

I like the place but it is a fundamentally flawed country in so many ways.
 
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I guess it really depends on your definition of what makes a country 'great' but American is far from being the 'greatest country' by any benchmark I can think of, unless we are comparing destructive power.

I like the place but it is a fundamentally flawed country in so many ways.

Oh, definitely true. You could argue about its greatness from a geopolitical and historical perspective (It is the 'greatest' country in terms of gross national power as a whole, for example, including soft power and non-destructive power projection capabilities), and it's probably the best hegemon we could currently hope for (superior to all available alternatives, and probably also superior to a multipolar world - since multipolar worlds tend to be far more conflict-prone than worlds dominated by one hegemon).

But there's no doubting that the United States is a deeply flawed, divided....flat out schizophrenic place in many ways.

Which is why I never actually said it was 'great' in any sense, general or specific (although, as I pointed out above, it probably is in pure IR terms depending on how you define 'greatness'). I said no other country could match it in terms of the number of wonderful, open people, great places and pieces of history that exist within its borders. And I stand by that. The United States is in the ideal sweet spot of being one of the largest countries on Earth, one of the most populated countries on Earth, one of the most diverse and beautiful countries on Earth, one of the most historically and culturally significant countries to have ever existed (by dint of its rise to world dominance in the most rapidly transformative era in the planet's history) and one of the most culturally open countries on the face of the planet, *despite* its recent election shenanigans.

I've been to a lot of beautiful, historic, friendly and welcoming countries around the world - India, where a lot of my extended family live and where I found peace and happiness in a hilltop monastery above the rolling green valleys of Sikkim. China, where I spent time floating down one of the quieter tributaries of the eternal, ageless mother of Sinic civilization, the mighty Yangtze. Russia, where I was given an impromptu tour around the stunningly crafted Moscow Metro by a local man who twigged that I was a tourist and didn't even ask for money or anything in return for spending half his day showing me the magnificent stations and pointing out objects of interest in broken English.

There are wonderful people all around the world, and proud countries and places filled with history, beauty and meaning. But I do mean what I say when I describe the United States as the one country with the most wonderful people, places and history crammed into it. You cannot turn left or right in one of the great American cities without running into history and culture everywhere you look - you will not encounter as many kind and friendly people on any other journey you care to make. And, when you get out of the city you first go to and realize how big, boundless, infinitely varied and (yet) eminently accessible the rest of America is..I personally don't think you'll find a more awe-inspiring moment.

You could spend your life searching for the soul of the United States across the length and breadth of that mighty country...And it would assuredly not be a wasted life.

It is schizophrenic, it is constantly in roiling turmoil about something or other, it is flawed and divided in so many ways. It can serve as a perfect example of humanity at its very ugliest, if you're of that mind.

But that isn't all it is - it is also the most diverse, amazing country I've ever been to.

Ahem...Anyway, back on topic. The country's great, but their obsession with ads is stupid, and this documentary's repitition was because of needing to cram those in.
 
Oh, definitely true. You could argue about its greatness from a geopolitical and historical perspective (It is the 'greatest' country in terms of gross national power as a whole, for example, including soft power and non-destructive power projection capabilities), and it's probably the best hegemon we could currently hope for (superior to all available alternatives, and probably also superior to a multipolar world - since multipolar worlds tend to be far more conflict-prone than worlds dominated by one hegemon).

But there's no doubting that the United States is a deeply flawed, divided....flat out schizophrenic place in many ways.

Which is why I never actually said it was 'great' in any sense, general or specific (although, as I pointed out above, it probably is in pure IR terms depending on how you define 'greatness'). I said no other country could match it in terms of the number of wonderful, open people, great places and pieces of history that exist within its borders. And I stand by that. The United States is in the ideal sweet spot of being one of the largest countries on Earth, one of the most populated countries on Earth, one of the most diverse and beautiful countries on Earth, one of the most historically and culturally significant countries to have ever existed (by dint of its rise to world dominance in the most rapidly transformative era in the planet's history) and one of the most culturally open countries on the face of the planet, *despite* its recent election shenanigans.

I've been to a lot of beautiful, historic, friendly and welcoming countries around the world - India, where a lot of my extended family live and where I found peace and happiness in a hilltop monastery above the rolling green valleys of Sikkim. China, where I spent time floating down one of the quieter tributaries of the eternal, ageless mother of Sinic civilization, the mighty Yangtze. Russia, where I was given an impromptu tour around the stunningly crafted Moscow Metro by a local man who twigged that I was a tourist and didn't even ask for money or anything in return for spending half his day showing me the magnificent stations and pointing out objects of interest in broken English.

There are wonderful people all around the world, and proud countries and places filled with history, beauty and meaning. But I do mean what I say when I describe the United States as the one country with the most wonderful people, places and history crammed into it. You cannot turn left or right in one of the great American cities without running into history and culture everywhere you look - you will not encounter as many kind and friendly people on any other journey you care to make. And, when you get out of the city you first go to and realize how big, boundless, infinitely varied and (yet) eminently accessible the rest of America is..I personally don't think you'll find a more awe-inspiring moment.

You could spend your life searching for the soul of the United States across the length and breadth of that mighty country...And it would assuredly not be a wasted life.

It is schizophrenic, it is constantly in roiling turmoil about something or other, it is flawed and divided in so many ways. It can serve as a perfect example of humanity at its very ugliest, if you're of that mind.

But that isn't all it is - it is also the most diverse, amazing country I've ever been to.

Ahem...Anyway, back on topic. The country's great, but their obsession with ads is stupid, and this documentary's repitition was because of needing to cram those in.
I'll read that later
 
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