Thomas Frank - Head Coach

[Raziel]

Oh absolutely, we're on the path and we need to stick with it.
The second question is really interesting. IF we were sticking with the previous manager, I'd have said absolutely yes as this would've been the moment to launch forward and rocket towards a huge greater potential goal. Given the circumstances, I'd be more inclined to continue as we do TBH. Mbuemo is a fine player but the wages he's asking, plus the fee? Absurd IMO...a player I'd like to see from Brentford is Damsgaard!

Don't think they will be a lot of bargains in the market this summer, seems like one of the expensive ones (Wirtz is a hell of an opener)

I'd argue player ability/value aside, Mbuemo is a more direct fit to what we need than Damsgaard (another midfielder).

 

[Muttley]

I expected the following important facts to come up in the above conversation. Unless I missed it, it hasn't.

The reality is that we are currently £337m in transfer payables based on our prior spending. I know each transfer is different but normally the payment terms we negotiate are multi-year. When you look at it the other direction, we're owed £58m in transfer receivables. So we need to find about £280m from either player sales or cashflow in these next 2-3 years.

The difference between the payables and receivables has to plateau at some point and my guess is we're very close when it is 50% of annual turnover. The club might let it drift out a little further but not by much as we have to service the difference from annual cashflow. That is, unless we can improve our performance on player sales. Apart from the Kane money, we've not done so well on sales in recent times.

So those who just look at PSR with all it's P&L exceptions or simply take the CL monies to the bank really could do with understanding this other perspective. We're running a business based on a balance sheet and P&L with no external funding. There is no money tree.

What I'm expecting this summer is some spending, but it is way more important for Frank to get his feet under the table and assess his assets. Unlike Ange, he doesn't have to give everyone a clean slate and start from the blank canvas. He's operated in this league for many years and know these players from Spurs and their previous clubs. He has so much more data and experience on our squad than Ange started with.

Finally, our squad has no free space. It's full to the rafters even after Forster, Reggie and Werner left. There's minimal space for our own youngsters to get promoted into first teamers let alone buy more. We need to get players out to get players in.

 

[thfcsteff]

Don't think they will be a lot of bargains in the market this summer, seems like one of the expensive ones (Wirtz is a hell of an opener)

I'd argue player ability/value aside, Mbuemo is a more direct fit to what we need than Damsgaard (another midfielder).

Interesting discussion for sure. I can certainly see how he'd benefit us instantly, and I really want competition for Maddison. Damsgaard's fitness/appearances for Brentford mark him as a consistent presence. Of course, there is also Donely (who I agree with @Gutter Boy on) and he could absolutely br brought in to be that player with a GHod pre-season. Truthfully, of all the potential 'players from there' Nathan Collins strikes me as potentially the one. Again ever-present, Frank loves him, and we really don't know what Romero is going to do (push for exit or stay). It's fun to finally be discussing such things again!

 

[thfcsteff]

I expected the following important facts to come up in the above conversation. Unless I missed it, it hasn't.

The reality is that we are currently £337m in transfer payables based on our prior spending. I know each transfer is different but normally the payment terms we negotiate are multi-year. When you look at it the other direction, we're owed £58m in transfer receivables. So we need to find about £280m from either player sales or cashflow in these next 2-3 years.

The difference between the payables and receivables has to plateau at some point and my guess is we're very close when it is 50% of annual turnover. The club might let it drift out a little further but not by much as we have to service the difference from annual cashflow. That is, unless we can improve our performance on player sales. Apart from the Kane money, we've not done so well on sales in recent times.

So those who just look at PSR with all it's P&L exceptions or simply take the CL monies to the bank really could do with understanding this other perspective. We're running a business based on a balance sheet and P&L with no external funding. There is no money tree.

What I'm expecting this summer is some spending, but it is way more important for Frank to get his feet under the table and assess his assets. Unlike Ange, he doesn't have to give everyone a clean slate and start from the blank canvas. He's operated in this league for many years and know these players from Spurs and their previous clubs. He has so much more data and experience on our squad than Ange started with.

Finally, our squad has no free space. It's full to the rafters even after Forster, Reggie and Werner left. There's minimal space for our own youngsters to get promoted into first teamers let alone buy more. We need to get players out to get players in.

A key point. Agreed.

 

[glasgowspur]

Never surprised at the departures of Mourinho and Conte, absolutely flabbergasted that we ever went for them and that some of us (I include myself in the case of Conte) thought that perhaps Levy had learned and would not have hired them without acquiescing to their requirements.

The only consolation of hiring conte was that it would highlight that levy hasn't changed but that the fall out would be proof that he needed to change.
Unfortunately conte welched on his side of it and left fairly quietly which led to ange and the "return to our DNA".
Levy can't change.
I say that as someone who supporters levy, but I have come to realise that his skill set is not choosing managers.

 

[Surfless]

Not true. You've literally replied to my posts about this over the years. You're getting old and forgetting.

And this is just me, I'm sure others have also said the same over the years.












And this one was from 2019

That is commitment to your point of view.

Early contender for post of the year 2025/26?

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Kulu has to play quickly to be effective but when he plays out wide he relies to much on little flicks and tricks and a lot of the time they don’t pay off. He also holds onto it too much and runs into dead ends when out on the wing. As a 10 and playing quickly he is top notch but he is just as inconsistent as Maddison.

I agree. I don't think we have a single player in our squad that is being seriously coveted by a top tier club. Romero may go to Athletico, who are kind of in the similar tier as ourselves. Which says a lot. Flip side is we have a lot of potential and all our players are competent in dont think we have any "deadwood". Time to invest in quality not quantity.

 

[thfcsteff]

I agree. I don't think we have a single player in our squad that is being seriously coveted by a top tier club. Romero may go to Athletico, who are kind of in the similar tier as ourselves. Which says a lot. Flip side is we have a lot of potential and all our players are competent in dont think we have any "deadwood". Time to invest in quality not quantity.

I agree and won't be holding my breath.

 

[Raziel]

I agree. I don't think we have a single player in our squad that is being seriously coveted by a top tier club. Romero may go to Athletico, who are kind of in the similar tier as ourselves. Which says a lot. Flip side is we have a lot of potential and all our players are competent in dont think we have any "deadwood". Time to invest in quality not quantity.

Romero would go anywhere, Madrid wanted him but don't buy older players at big fees anymore.
Porro would have a pick of clubs, a WB/FB with his numbers is coveted (he pretty much matches TAA in figures, look where he went)
VDV would be picked up by almost any PL team
Bentancur is very highly rated outside of UK, was also on Atleti's list (do find it amusing you think we are on same level, they have 11 league titles, 10 Copa Del Rey's, 3 EL wins, CL constants)

I do agree we miss a Kane/Son type in their prime, and could/should invest in quality from here on in.

 

[Raziel]

I expected the following important facts to come up in the above conversation. Unless I missed it, it hasn't.

The reality is that we are currently £337m in transfer payables based on our prior spending. I know each transfer is different but normally the payment terms we negotiate are multi-year. When you look at it the other direction, we're owed £58m in transfer receivables. So we need to find about £280m from either player sales or cashflow in these next 2-3 years.

The difference between the payables and receivables has to plateau at some point and my guess is we're very close when it is 50% of annual turnover. The club might let it drift out a little further but not by much as we have to service the difference from annual cashflow. That is, unless we can improve our performance on player sales. Apart from the Kane money, we've not done so well on sales in recent times.

So those who just look at PSR with all it's P&L exceptions or simply take the CL monies to the bank really could do with understanding this other perspective. We're running a business based on a balance sheet and P&L with no external funding. There is no money tree.

What I'm expecting this summer is some spending, but it is way more important for Frank to get his feet under the table and assess his assets. Unlike Ange, he doesn't have to give everyone a clean slate and start from the blank canvas. He's operated in this league for many years and know these players from Spurs and their previous clubs. He has so much more data and experience on our squad than Ange started with.

Finally, our squad has no free space. It's full to the rafters even after Forster, Reggie and Werner left. There's minimal space for our own youngsters to get promoted into first teamers let alone buy more. We need to get players out to get players in.

Stadium income is ramping up, approval for the significant increase in non football events just happened, we will have a lot of kick ons from winning EL, Super Cup, CL, inclusion in next club world cup, etc. Genuinely not concerned re Levy managing money

We have released 15 players (5 senior team), fully expect a few more to go, Solomon, Bissouma, Veliz, Scarlett, Richi are all likely outs, with decision on Son & Tel required.

My expectation is 2 senior players in, up to 4 depending on outgoing (specifically Richi, Son, Romero) plus usual youngster investments.

100% our players are a known factor for Frank

 

[Gazza]

Genuinely we have no players that would play in the top 4 teams. We have players that may get into the top 6.

As much as we taste m rate the likes of Van der ven, Romero, Kulu and any others …. I don’t think they open their positions like players we had with poch ….

Perhaps we have to go down the coaching route where players are improving and the overall team benefits. At the moment I look at our disjointed team and not one really stands out.

I’m looking for partnerships and understanding on the pitch.

And finally the biggest one … we lack leaders on the pitch. The only one that is close is Romero but even he is reckless and blows too hot and cold, and not cute enough to get away with things

 

[billyiddo]

Perhaps we have to go down the coaching route where players are improving and the overall team benefits.

I mean that should just be a given part of what to expect at this level

 

[Gazza]

I mean that should just be a given part of what to expect at this level

We have not really had this since pochettino.

The improvement in certain players in becoming a well drilled machine with all the players busting a gut and making each other better was what I loved the most during that team

 

[braineclipse]

I expected the following important facts to come up in the above conversation. Unless I missed it, it hasn't.

The reality is that we are currently £337m in transfer payables based on our prior spending. I know each transfer is different but normally the payment terms we negotiate are multi-year. When you look at it the other direction, we're owed £58m in transfer receivables. So we need to find about £280m from either player sales or cashflow in these next 2-3 years.

The difference between the payables and receivables has to plateau at some point and my guess is we're very close when it is 50% of annual turnover. The club might let it drift out a little further but not by much as we have to service the difference from annual cashflow. That is, unless we can improve our performance on player sales. Apart from the Kane money, we've not done so well on sales in recent times.

So those who just look at PSR with all it's P&L exceptions or simply take the CL monies to the bank really could do with understanding this other perspective. We're running a business based on a balance sheet and P&L with no external funding. There is no money tree.

What I'm expecting this summer is some spending, but it is way more important for Frank to get his feet under the table and assess his assets. Unlike Ange, he doesn't have to give everyone a clean slate and start from the blank canvas. He's operated in this league for many years and know these players from Spurs and their previous clubs. He has so much more data and experience on our squad than Ange started with.

Finally, our squad has no free space. It's full to the rafters even after Forster, Reggie and Werner left. There's minimal space for our own youngsters to get promoted into first teamers let alone buy more. We need to get players out to get players in.

You bring up a good point.

I don't understand finances in general or our specific situation well enough to have a strong opinion on this.

What I do know is that Levy has never put us in a situation where we weren't able to spend money going into the next season since the stadium was built. Even before that, arguably with the one exception, he's never put us in a situation where we didn't have room to manoeuvre financially.

We just got CL participation to that.

I think we'll be able to spend a solid chunk.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Stadium income is ramping up, approval for the significant increase in non football events just happened, we will have a lot of kick ons from winning EL, Super Cup, CL, inclusion in next club world cup, etc. Genuinely not concerned re Levy managing money

We have released 15 players (5 senior team), fully expect a few more to go, Solomon, Bissouma, Veliz, Scarlett, Richi are all likely outs, with decision on Son & Tel required.

My expectation is 2 senior players in, up to 4 depending on outgoing (specifically Richi, Son, Romero) plus usual youngster investments.

100% our players are a known factor for Frank

Christ I was in London last night and the amount of people going to the Beyoncé gig was notable
We have tonnes of events there this summer

 

[Kandi1977]

How is there still no 1st interview out, over 1 day after the official announcement?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Romero would go anywhere, Madrid wanted him but don't buy older players at big fees anymore.
Porro would have a pick of clubs, a WB/FB with his numbers is coveted (he pretty much matches TAA in figures, look where he went)
VDV would be picked up by almost any PL team
Bentancur is very highly rated outside of UK, was also on Atleti's list (do find it amusing you think we are on same level, they have 11 league titles, 10 Copa Del Rey's, 3 EL wins, CL constants)

I do agree we miss a Kane/Son type in their prime, and could/should invest in quality from here on in.

I don’t think Madrid ever wanted Romero

 

[Lilbaz]

How is there still no 1st interview out, over 1 day after the official announcement?

Guy who does them is in ibiza?

 

[Kandi1977]

Guy who does them is in ibiza?

He's got a job to do! Get him back or hire someone else!

 

[Muttley]

You bring up a good point.

I don't understand finances in general or our specific situation well enough to have a strong opinion on this.

What I do know is that Levy has never put us in a situation where we weren't able to spend money going into the next season since the stadium was built. Even before that, arguably with the one exception, he's never put us in a situation where we didn't have room to manoeuvre financially.

We just got CL participation to that.

I think we'll be able to spend a solid chunk.

I'm no accountant, but a better way to think of it is what would have happened if we hadn't have won the EL.

That way you get to think about the EL win as well. Sorry wrong thread.