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Thomas Frank - Head Coach

Raziel said:
? the owner went gangster style on a kid who had a wife with pregnancy complications .. we do a lot of stupid brick as a club, that one isn't on us.
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Raziel said:
Eze was a due diligence failure and we let Palace string us along. Part of these kind of jobs is a sniff test and understanding if someone is negotiating in good faith, we were never anything but a fall back option for Eze and we should have determined that and moved along.
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So Palace strung us along when we knew what was the release clause and never paid it... but Forest were some paradigm of good faith when we did pay the clause but they refused to accept it???
 
Mabspurs said:
So Palace strung us along when we knew what was the release clause and never paid it... but Forest were some paradigm of good faith when we did pay the clause but they refused to accept it???
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The due diligence was more around whether the player wanted to come to us or not I think. Eze was well known as a gooner, and we should have gone straight for that as a question and possibly didn't - I think that's the point being made.
 
Robspur12 said:
TF, I'm sure is aware of all our problems. They had plagued Ange last season too but his system was less tolerant to the turnovers. TF knows we need to bolster our strike force as Richy and Muani haven't been good enough (Muani frequently seems to lose the ball which breaks down our attacks, Richy too). He knows we need more progressive passers in midfield. But he can't change this overnight.
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Spot on, mate. It is laughable that anyone would think they are in some way more knowledgeable - stats or not - than someone who has been there and done that!!!

Sometimes I get the feeling that the main issues with the Frank-out crowd is that he does not subscribe to the typical Spurs mentality which - over my 50 years as a fan - has been just an excuse to justify our lack of success. We finally have a coach who understands the strengths and, especially weaknesses, of the team but (unlike e.g. Amorim) is not hard-headed and egotistic to drive a system which the team cannot cope with - even though it may be unpopular. In these hundreds of posts, no one has pointed out the massive defensive improvement from last year. I read somewhere that our xGA - for the exact same games (promoted teams apart) - has fallen from 1.68 last year to around 1.23 this season. But that is not sexy I guess!

At the end of the day, I just hope Vini keeps his nerve despite all this noise because I think we have a coach who can take us places if we give him time and back him with the players he desperately needs.
 
billyiddo said:
Eze & his team would never have let on anything that would have made us step away - why would they do that and risk a potential transfer and the money involved?
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From what I remember we finally agreed a fee with Palace around the same time that Haivertz got injured at Arsenal which caused Woolwich to enter the bidding for him.

Of course it may have been that had we agreed the fee 2 weeks’ earlier then Woolwich would’ve matched it anyway…. Would’ve been nice to find out.
 
thfcsteff said:
I would absolutely agree with this except time and time again, when an opportunity presents itself, he doesn't take the 'risk'. Take Sunday. 1-1. He brings Palhinha on. It is the perfect opportunity to use Palhinha for what he is -an expert closer- and place either Gray or Bergvall with him to drive and carry the ball from deep, with Bentancur playing further forward (having shown in the first=half he can still be progressive when given the chance). Instead we paired them up. Or why not got two up top and make the most of Muani and Richarlison? I'm not saying he has an entire squad to choose from, I'm not even saying he has the best of the best, but those moments/those tactical decisions, tell me something. They tell me he is averse to risk after a certain point. Sunderland were leaving lots of space, and whilst I know Bergvall is not a 'passer' per se, when carrying from deeper positions, he has found a channel ball/clipped pass into space and behind a few times this season. I am waiting to see a little more adventure, or indeed signs of it. We absolutely could've won that game IMO had we not been so risk averse in the second-half/last 2-25 minutes. Still, it's a choice and I have to accept that.
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You watched Bergval right? In my opinion he was in no fit state to be on the subs bench, let alone the pitch. He was simply woeful and never even got beyond jog mode. If Frank made one mistake at the weekend it was actually bringing him on. He wasn't right and the entire game just passed him by. Unless of course, it was just player attitude we saw and he was actually fit. That would be even worse.

This is the real joy of being a manager. He brought Bergval on to make an impact and change some tactics, and just watched in disbelief like the rest of us. No doubt, Bergval was cleared by the medical team and he got nothing but assurances from the player he was ready.

He was shocking and blew our tactics to pieces.
 
Muttley said:
You watched Bergval right? In my opinion he was in no fit state to be on the subs bench, let alone the pitch. He was simply woeful and never even got beyond jog mode. If Frank made one mistake at the weekend it was actually bringing him on. He wasn't right and the entire game just passed him by. Unless of course, it was just player attitude we saw and he was actually fit. That would be even worse.

This is the real joy of being a manager. He brought Bergval on to make an impact and change some tactics, and just watched in disbelief like the rest of us. No doubt, Bergval was cleared by the medical team and he got nothing but assurances from the player he was ready.

He was shocking and blew our tactics to pieces.
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Bergval’s development seems to have gone backwards this season. On the flip side Gray has developed well.
 
Mabspurs said:
Spot on, mate. It is laughable that anyone would think they are in some way more knowledgeable - stats or not - than someone who has been there and done that!!!

Sometimes I get the feeling that the main issues with the Frank-out crowd is that he does not subscribe to the typical Spurs mentality which - over my 50 years as a fan - has been just an excuse to justify our lack of success. We finally have a coach who understands the strengths and, especially weaknesses, of the team but (unlike e.g. Amorim) is not hard-headed and egotistic to drive a system which the team cannot cope with - even though it may be unpopular. In these hundreds of posts, no one has pointed out the massive defensive improvement from last year. I read somewhere that our xGA - for the exact same games (promoted teams apart) - has fallen from 1.68 last year to around 1.23 this season. But that is not sexy I guess!

At the end of the day, I just hope Vini keeps his nerve despite all this noise because I think we have a coach who can take us places if we give him time and back him with the players he desperately needs.
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I have, repeatedly.
 
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