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Thomas Frank - Head Coach

thfcsteff said:
You’ve posted repeatedly about how average the squad is. I think we can all see the short-comings/imbalances. Trust me, no-one thinks Frank should be winning the league with this, however we should absolutely be in the top 7/8 right now with potential new signings/returnees to boost.
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Hey this is my shtick, I've been saying the same thing for nigh on 5 years now and for me it kind of just gets worse each season.

I do think we've improved in terms of the quality of the recruitment in very recent seasons (Ange era), but it's been a case of raising the floor whilst at the same time our ceiling has collapsed.

We haven't gotten near replacing the qualities that Son and Kane provided, two players who were working as massive plasters over fudging tectonic plate sizes crevices.

Top 10 will do me, a great coach maybe gets us Top 6, but for me that's a coach absolutely maximising every quality this squad has. We aren't going to find this Messiah coach, we need to improve the playing squad, that's a much easier thing to achieve.
 
Bishop said:
You're stuck in the past. We aren't a Champion League calibre side right now.

Whether he's managed at that level previously or not is kind of irrelevant, he's managing at that level this year and can see what is needed. Hell I've not managed at that level and I can see we are not a 2025 CL calibre side, so why would it be difficult for Frank to see it too?
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Yet we’re currently the 11th best ranked team in the champions league? 11th and not 10th because of alphabetical order
 
harr1984 said:
I'm not sure why? If you're referring to Frank he certainly wasn't my pick and I had concerns about him when appointed and it's fair to say he hasn't alleviated such concerns. But I don't want him sacked, it's only fair to evaluate at the end of the season bar a disaster.

I'd rather keep Frank and see if he can turn it around, but once you lose the majority of the fan base (no idea if we are even close to that yet) and then the writing is on the wall....
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Nah nothing to do with Frank.

I've always had you down as one of the opposing voices to the Poch fans whenever his time at the club has been discussed in the years since he left (nothing wrong with that) - not majorly, but enough that I'd think you'd be quick to say so if he struggled

This is all light hearted btw not having a dig.

But outside of here and the fanbase in general - anything and everything that can be used to create a talking point or a bit of controversy or whatever can and will be seized upon whenever things aren't going well - only have to see the Ange stuff on SM whenever we have a poor result to see that - the same pages that were piling the pressure last season are the ones harking back to him now and they'd be quick to say Poch was a failure with the squad he had before and should never have gotten another chance if he was having a tough start.

Personally I hope he stays well clear until we know where the new owners lay and what their ambitions are - I'd hate to see him brought in for the brownie points and then not given the chance to succeed
 
harr1984 said:
I'm not sure why? If you're referring to Frank he certainly wasn't my pick and I had concerns about him when appointed and it's fair to say he hasn't alleviated such concerns. But I don't want him sacked, it's only fair to evaluate at the end of the season bar a disaster.

I'd rather keep Frank and see if he can turn it around, but once you lose the majority of the fan base (no idea if we are even close to that yet) and then the writing is on the wall....
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Would be my thoughts as well, we HAVE to stop sacking managers when we are still trying to build consistancey. Since Pooch went we have had 7 counting caretakers in six years.. No wonder we have no stability.
 
billyiddo said:
Nah nothing to do with Frank.

I've always had you down as one of the opposing voices to the Poch fans whenever his time at the club has been discussed in the years since he left (nothing wrong with that) - not majorly, but enough that I'd think you'd be quick to say so if he struggled

This is all light hearted btw not having a dig.

But outside of here and the fanbase in general - anything and everything that can be used to create a talking point or a bit of controversy or whatever can and will be seized upon whenever things aren't going well - only have to see the Ange stuff on SM whenever we have a poor result to see that - the same pages that were piling the pressure last season are the ones harking back to him now and they'd be quick to say Poch was a failure with the squad he had before and should never have gotten another chance if he was having a tough start.

Personally I hope he stays well clear until we know where the new owners lay and what their ambitions are - I'd hate to see him brought in for the brownie points and then not given the chance to succeed
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No worries I hadn't taken it that way. I thought I was in the middle with Poch to be fair, I really liked him but at the same time found it a bit much how some had him down as some sort of messiah that could do no wrong - like some of the comments he made in interviews towards the end of his tenure and how people were trying to justify them. However, some time ago I posted somewhere on here that I had underestimated what Poch had done for us considering what followed him (and I had appreciated him to start with, just not to the levels of some others).

Yeah I agree about the vicious circle of noise from the fans, and your last sentence is a good point - I'm sure Poch himself would be astute enough to steer clear until then too. But I'm hoping we wont have to worry about the Poch conundrum anytime soon and Frank can get the team vibing more second half of the season....
 
Bishop said:
You're stuck in the past. We aren't a Champion League calibre side right now.

Whether he's managed at that level previously or not is kind of irrelevant, he's managing at that level this year and can see what is needed. Hell I've not managed at that level and I can see we are not a 2025 CL calibre side, so why would it be difficult for Frank to see it too?
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Read my response, I didn't say we were, I said regardless of what he thinks, he can't say it. His job, what he was hired to do, would absolutely had the mandate of us being back in CL, maybe one year, maybe two but without question it is an expectation.

The fact that he failed to understand that, the fact that he failed to understand the response it would get (and as others have said, here is always a more balanced reaction), is part of the problem.

I agree what level he was in the past doesn't matter, it's can/will he adapt fast enough, it's the same question that will be asked of Glasner and Iraola at some point, right now Frank is coming across as the next Potter.
 
Kane said:
Well, its one thing to moan and complain, and quite another to be constructive and come up with solutions.

In amongst their outrage, did they say who they wanted if he does go now?
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The last line of defense for a dead man walking manager "there is no one else available"

There is always someone else available and there are people paid at the club to have contingencies and to make these decisions.
 
Anyway regarding the quotes from the presser - it's not that deep, he's in a tight spot and trying to frame the situation to reflect better on him, most managers will/would/do the same.
 
parklane1 said:
Would be my thoughts as well, we HAVE to stop sacking managers when we are still trying to build consistancey. Since Pooch went we have had 7 counting caretakers in six years.. No wonder we have no stability.
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They've all been brick though. I wouldn't have gone near any of the permanent ones with a bargepole.
 
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