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The youth players/on-loan thread 2015-16
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Yoof
Tony Parks
Having a good u21 side doesn't win you anything, we could field an older/more experienced team and get better results if we wanted but it's about developing players rather than picking up meaningless points in an ultimately meaningless league. Tonight's lineup had an average age of 18, it was a tough lesson for them playing against an older side but one we hope they'll benefit from in the long term.
Gazzasrightboot
Pascal Chimbonda
Completely agree with you. Great post.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
And when they all then got released and ended up at Grays Athletic
Instead of now where 10 of our 27 man squad are academy graduates, and 4 of them are in the England squad
I'm sure I read the other day that the big problem with our U21s is that we just have no CF at all, so there's no outlet/focal point to the team
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
A tangent point. I like that we've only got 5/6 players out on loan at the moment (Yedlin, Ward, Ogilvie, Ball, Oduwa [and Coulthirst]).
It feels like a reaction against the appalling Chelsea policy and the laziness of when Sherwood was presiding over the Swindon arrangement.
Some 19-20 year olds do need a loan (Veljkovic is ripe for one, on top of the current lot). But for a lot it just feels like unnecessary stockpiling, to the detriment of the player's career.
I think we should adopt a broad policy of over 21s either needing to make the 25, or be sold/released. That did actually happen last summer (Fredericks and Hall were the two casualties).
At the moment Yedlin is our only overage players out on loan, and I think it's very healthy that there aren't more than that
It feels like a reaction against the appalling Chelsea policy and the laziness of when Sherwood was presiding over the Swindon arrangement.
Some 19-20 year olds do need a loan (Veljkovic is ripe for one, on top of the current lot). But for a lot it just feels like unnecessary stockpiling, to the detriment of the player's career.
I think we should adopt a broad policy of over 21s either needing to make the 25, or be sold/released. That did actually happen last summer (Fredericks and Hall were the two casualties).
At the moment Yedlin is our only overage players out on loan, and I think it's very healthy that there aren't more than that
Sandman
Dean Austin
I think that contradicts the current policy. In the past we have let players go, and they have gone on to have careers. Not at the top level, but certainly lower level premier league or championship level. As with Mason and Townsend a few loans can work out even if you have got over 21. If had used that rule Mason would be gone.
It feels to me more like what we do, is hold on to them to give them a chance of getting a move. So they are not thrown in the dustbin. And then we make a few quid to in selling them.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I think things have changed
Prior to 2004 - both academy and reserves were a laughing stock
2004-2009 - McDermott and Inglethorpe created a superb academy setup, but Clive Allen's reserves were horrific
2009-2014 - players went from the excellent academy out on loan. This benefitted some (Townsend clocking up 100 appearance), but harmed other (Mason had a series of inappropriate ones and picked up a lot of injuries)
2015-onwards - hopefully a more direct link from academy to first team squad, as seen with Onomah, Winks and McGee
Re Mason - he was always the most talented one of that class of 2009 (this article about him and the youth setup is fantastic: https://bankruptspurs.wordpress.com/2015/08/23/last-season-was-the-greatest-ive-known-as-a-spurs-fan/), but injuries held him back. I said a general rule, and had cases like Mason's in mind as the exceptions.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
That article from Bankrupt is a thing of beauty. Sure he used to be a mod, would be worth asking him if we can stick it on the front page here maybe..
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
It's the best thing I've read about us in years.
It looks though as if bankrupt hasn't posted here since Dec 13, or logged-in since January this year. I'm sure he'll be contactable through his blog site however
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
Absolutely fantastic article / short story! If you have a spare 15 mins it's well worth a read.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
What happened to his proposed loan to Sporting Gijon?
Yoof
Tony Parks
Not sure what happened there but I think we'll end up losing him unfortunately.
Just watched the 5 minute highlight of our 7-4 win and (yes i know it was only 5 minutes) but #10 for us showed good vision for his assist before the assist (on our first goal) and some other nice moments in the replay. The video also showed we don't practice corners at that age haha
Any info or insight on #10?
Any info or insight on #10?
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Anthony Georgiou?
i've gone back and looked at it again and it was shayon (sp?) harrison. anybody watched him play more than 5 minutes?
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indianspur
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never read that article before....thanks for the heads up, fantastic read.
Yoof
Tony Parks
If Kazaiah Sterling continues to play with the u21s then that will allow Harrison to drop back to a #10 position which suits him more, or at least at this level because he just doesn't have the game currently to play up top by himself and occupy big defenders. He might struggle to get into the side by the end of the year though as hopefully Marcus Edwards will be playing u21s consistently if he continues to develop(especially physically). On your other point about us struggling at corners, I think it's a result of us having a small side, the only player we had over 6ft who started yesterday was Maghoma, Leicester also looked like a pretty big side so not surprising we struggled in that department.
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