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The 'If You Still Need to Purge Yourself Of Ange' Thread

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O'Neil this week (or recently) tipped Hearts to beat Celtic to the title this year....

Now he is the manager of Celtic (for now) to try and not make that happen. He also hasn't had a managers job since he was at forest... In 2019
 
Chrissivad said:
O'Neil this week (or recently) tipped Hearts to beat Celtic to the title this year....

Now he is the manager of Celtic (for now) to try and not make that happen. He also hasn't had a managers job since he was at forest... In 2019
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I used to quite like O’Neil but I heard a short radio interview with him a few weeks back and I have to say he sounded like a total football dinosaur.
 
Muttley said:
When I think about patience in football, it is actually a very practical thing. If you don't provide it, you end up shooting yourself in the foot anyway.

Obviously the opposite of having patience is losing patience. Even when you have natural patience, you an still lose it and that felt like the Ange path. Why we lost patience is the more interesting angle especially when you get into the "why". There are so many stakeholders in football and they can all lose patience at different rates. Obviously, some clearly don't at all and maintain the belief. With Ange, the reasons the stakeholders lost patience was multi-faceted. It wasn't just about the black and white things like league finishes. It was in the micro-detail that we all lived through every day for 2 seasons. The stuff that I was saying I can't see with Amorin as my focus isn't there.

All you can hope for with fans is that they at least start with best intent on any new manager. I definitely did with Ange. He lost my support through his words and actions.

So I don't think patience is earned in the first 2 seasons as it should be a practical given. I think it might be though as you move beyond that point and really start to head into a long term relationship with a club like we saw with Poch.
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What’s interesting about Spurs is that they clearly lost patience around the time of the first story about Frank, Iraola and Silva came out…which was I think February? And so we can assume the decision was made in mid to late January.

Right in the thick of the injury crisis, they decided his time was up. And no amount of rationalising it with the possibility of a cup win was going to save him.

I think it’s slightly bizarre to appoint the guy, see him do a pretty good job with a 5th placed finish in his first season, and get off to a reasonable start in his second, and actually completely lose patience in the midst of the historic injury crisis. To the point where I have to assume Ange was indeed blamed for the injuries.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
What’s interesting about Spurs is that they clearly lost patience around the time of the first story about Frank, Iraola and Silva came out…which was I think February? And so we can assume the decision was made in mid to late January.

Right in the thick of the injury crisis, they decided his time was up. And no amount of rationalising it with the possibility of a cup win was going to save him.

I think it’s slightly bizarre to appoint the guy, see him do a pretty good job with a 5th placed finish in his first season, and get off to a reasonable start in his second, and actually completely lose patience in the midst of the historic injury crisis. To the point where I have to assume Ange was indeed blamed for the injuries.
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I do think the injuries are at the crux of the topic actually. What you hint on is that it wasn't fair to judge Ange in an injury crisis. Maybe you were and maybe you weren't, but I think that line of thought is what got some of us frustrated. I learnt more about Ange's shortcomings when he had to make those team changes with injuries. Where he got slack from me is when injuries become pervasive fatigue across the entire playing squad. That was the second half of the injury cycles. When I think back to the 23/24 an 24/25 injury cycles, it exposed some tactical deficiencies. Even at the end, I never felt that Ange had got all of his playing squad up to speed with his tactics in a way that he could rotate players even with a fully fit playing squad. You simply have to have that in this environment.

Then if we put football to one side for a minute, there would have been a board room discussion about what damage Ange was doing to the club brand in all that nonsense he spoke publicly. It is never good for any business when you have your most public official not speaking non-emotionally and logically. I know some fans wouldn't care about that side, but businesses do. He walked straight into the Forest job and took that same persona. I can certainly see how Ange could lose the advocacy of board room members and it wouldn't have surprised me if that was a new year conversation leading to a tough decision in the timeframes you speak about.

Obviously, we didn't know it at the time but there were the Tavistock board room level conversations above THFC happening as well which resulted in Levy leaving.
 
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