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The Goon Thread

kb 1984 said:
Agreed about the wait but that doesn't mean we shouldn't believe the victims

Not stopping players from training or earning money what they can't do is play football. It's up to the police to investigate all accusations then charge or not whatever the case maybe. As for writing a letter the police would require an interview with victim to even consider going forward the police aren't stupid.
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Perhaps there is another way. We all know this case has taken 3 years but what we don't know is whether that was "3 years work in 3 years" or whether it was "6 weeks work in 3 years". The likelihood is that it could have probably ben done quicker if they could throw enough resources at it. Tax payers money was inevitably involved.

So I'm wondering whether the FA/PL/EFL should just create the separate fund from the significant TV deals and make sure that it is accessible to the police and legal teams. It would be a way of football stepping up and making sure it is being proactive.
 
kb 1984 said:
If a footballer is accused of *struggle cuddle* whoever he is whoever he plays for gets stood down. It's as simple as that. If it takes 3 years so be it. It's *struggle cuddle* man come on

In your scenario bergval is innocent what if he is guilty & been running around in a Tottenham shirt representing you. You would be happy with this
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That’s so open to abuse and weaponisation.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Wow. You’d end careers on the basis of any accusation. That is mad. Anyone wishing to cause you harm could write a letter and end your career. How is that workable?
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What letter there has to be an accusation to the police. What do you think the police are going to do with a letter. I choose to believe the victims you choose to give the possible perpetrators the benfit of the doubt.
 
Baleforce said:
That’s so open to abuse and weaponisation.
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Not if implemented properly here in Oz the NRL have a no fault stand down policy league wide. If you have been accused of a serious crime you are stood down. You still train & get paid. The Premier league could easily impose something similar they won't of course.
 
kb 1984 said:
What letter there has to be an accusation to the police. What do you think the police are going to do with a letter. I choose to believe the victims you choose to give the possible perpetrators the benfit of the doubt.
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No. You said if there was an accusation, you’d suspend regardless.

You choose to believe the accuser (not necessarily a victim) and I choose to be as fair and neutral as possible while evidence is collected and evaluated.
 
kb 1984 said:
Not if implemented properly here in Oz the NRL have a no fault stand down policy league wide. If you have been accused of a serious crime you are stood down. You still train & get paid. The Premier league could easily impose something similar they won't of course.
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But you don’t play in competition/public games.

You career may have been curtailed by a lie.

Plus, these things stick, being linked in the press, even if fully exonerated never goes away.
 
SpurMeUp said:
No. You said if there was an accusation, you’d suspend regardless.

You choose to believe the accuser (not necessarily a victim) and I choose to be as fair and neutral as possible while evidence is collected and evaluated.
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Yes they should be stood down once an accusation to the police has been made not a letter to the club.

I get you feel differently I choose the victims because I believe the days of not believing them should be over. I am slightly biased as I knew a rape victim she was only 15.
 
Baleforce said:
But you don’t play in competition/public games.

You career may have been curtailed by a lie.

Plus, these things stick, being linked in the press, even if fully exonerated never goes away.
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so the other option is we don't believe the victims & let a possible rapist continue to say represent Tottenham & us the fans

Sorry don't care the victims always come first.
 
kb 1984 said:
Yes they should be stood down once an accusation to the police has been made not a letter to the club.

I get you feel differently I choose the victims because I believe the days of not believing them should be over. I am slightly biased as I knew a rape victim she was only 15.
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The NRL stance says 'when charged', is that different to accused? As it muddies the point you are making if so.
 
kb 1984 said:
Yes they do I was using it as example as to what can be done. I would prefer once an accusation to the police is made the player is stood down. If the premier league went with the NRL model it would be a start
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I agree they should (at least) go with that model, BUT in Parteys case that model would have only seen him 'stood down' this week.
3 years difference compared to the accusations date. It's tough to know where to draw the line given that time variance.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I agree they should (at least) go with that model, BUT in Parteys case that model would have only seen him 'stood down' this week.
3 years difference compared to the accusations date. It's tough to know where to draw the line given that time variance.
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If any club had a player that was accused of rape they shouldn't be able to play him. Partey case seems overly long were the police reluctant to charge while season was ongoing. It seems odd that his contract expires then he is charged
 
kb 1984 said:
If any club had a player that was accused of rape they shouldn't be able to play him. Partey case seems overly long were the police reluctant to charge while season was ongoing. It seems odd that his contract expires then he is charged
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Agree the timing looks very strange, if he's found guilty CPS will say they needed the time to build the case, if innocent that it was a complicated case which needed the time.
 
Baleforce said:
But you don’t play in competition/public games.

You career may have been curtailed by a lie.

Plus, these things stick, being linked in the press, even if fully exonerated never goes away.
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I think they stick if there is guilt, if not the outpouring of sympathy for those accused is equally massive.
 
Muttley said:
Not at all. We know these rich and famous role models have always found ways to cover their misdemeanours using their financial muscle.

That is not even a statement of whether Partey is guilty or not guilty. All I'm saying is that he will be spending way more than the average Joe on his case and have a much higher percentage chance to getting the verdict he wants.
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It read as though you were saying women make up rape claims in order to settle.
 
SpurMeUp said:
I get this and agree. But I also wouldn’t want to be to derail your life and career simply by accusing you of something. How would that work? You’re asking a football club to be a judge and jury. Before any accusations have been checked or a conviction planned. You could ruin a career simply by making false accusations if we followed this model. That can’t be right, or workable, and it flies in the face of a thousand years of jurisprudence.
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Not if you act with consistency about all crime. You can put people on gardening level of leave full pay based on charges alone if you feel the charges have an impact on the optics. Thats not by any means saying someone is guilty, thats operating with the integrity of your company and brand whilst giving people the time and space to have a fair trial. As long as companies act consistently are clear with the reasoning aka "this is not a judgement from the company" and they are welcomed back with open arms once the case is settled........Then I don't see any issue at all.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Not if you act with consistency about all crime. You can put people on gardening level of leave full pay based on charges alone if you feel the charges have an impact on the optics. Thats not by any means saying someone is guilty, thats operating with the integrity of your company and brand whilst giving people the time and space to have a fair trial. As long as companies act consistently are clear with the reasoning aka "this is not a judgement from the company" and they are welcomed back with open arms once the case is settled........Then I don't see any issue at all.
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Okay suppose a 19 year old player has some one lay an accusation on them. It took around 4 years for the Party allegations to become a formal charge. It may not have become a formal charge. The police could find some new evidence that completely exonerates the individual. They’d be 23 having not played any football in that time. Their career would effectively be over. No issue at all for you?
 
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