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Sick sick world what is wrong with people

It's a glorious utopia but it will never be. I am most interested in radically accepting the situation we CURRENTLY find ourselves in, and how best to find peaceful resolution going forwards. I acknowledge the deep history, but unless we can use that to the positive, we need to focus on the 'now' IMO. Personally? I think that starts with having two sides equally committed to the concept of peace in the region for all innocent civilians, indeed, people. I personally do not believe that is the current situation (again, I am not ignoring history, I am working from a practical sense of what can be done right NOW in this seismic MOMENT).

There are several dangerous and highly unscrupulous players getting a high degree of agency and traction via this situation. That needs to be stopped.

FWIW, if I had the answers, I likely would not be typing this on my phone outside a cafe sipping a cappuccino; now there's some privilege for you!!!

An excellent post. If it was just Isreal and Palestinians I think this conflict would have resolved, or been closer to being resolved. Hamas was fuelled by Iranian funding. Israel’s arms have been fuelled by the US (and France in the past) ratcheting up the conflict. There are outside concerns: the Saudi/US owned oil pipeline that flows through the Golan heights, and proxy war between the US and Iran.

Hopefully Isreal can give back some land (hard to do when people have invested and made lives in former Gaza territory) and there can be a long term peace. With stability and mutual respect Isreal can also be a catalyst for development. Atm that is impossible as you cant help develop a quasi state that wants to destroy you. Very hard to at least.
 
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@Lost Mango the video chaps point was there are no Jewish communities in the Middle East now. Isreal, he said is secular, in that there are mosques and Muslim (and Christian?) communities living in Isreal. His point was: the same is not true in other surrounding Arab nations and he listed the centers of former Jewish life that don’t exist now in places like Syria. Your point that some left for Isreal of their own accord is somewhat facetious. ‘Oh they were leaving anyway’

To be frank: that is more of a nonsense than anything that he said in his video. Communities with hundreds, if not thousands, of years of history in locals like Aleppo have not dwindled as people freely left because they wished to give up their lives, professions, communities and places of worship, to move to Isreal. They have been totally displaced. Trying to claim it was because Isreal advertised or attracted them is naive at best. That Jewish communities resist the magnetism of Israeli advertising in other parts of the world, shows this is a load of nonsense. And his point that Christian communities have also had a similar fate in the Middle East only backs up his point.

Jerusalem not being an Arab capital is black or white. It either was or was not. You outlined how it wasn’t particularly important as a city to Arabs. Which seems concurrent with his point.

Re. ‘Palestine’ this is an easy one. You’re conflating the mention of a region with a term for a people. I’m not minded to rewatch it but I believe he was referring to the use of ‘Palestinians’ as a people. Which has a much later date recorded against it. First used a couple of hundred years ago? It’s like claiming there was a reference to ‘Tottenham’ as an area when someone is claiming there is no reference to Tottenhamers :D
Even Tottenham is more precise and relevant to a group of people. It has boundaries, governmental structure, etc.

I'd liken it more to terms like the Amazon Rainforest. It's an area, like "The North" but not a nationality (at least not until we build that wall..)
 
An excellent post. If it was just Isreal and Palestinians I think this conflict would have resolved, or been closer to being resolved. Hamas was fuelled by Iranian funding. Israel’s arms have been fuelled by the US (and France in the past) ratcheting up the conflict. There are outside concerns: the Saudi/US owned oil pipeline that flows through the Golan heights, and proxy war between the US and Iran.

Hopefully Isreal can give back some land (hard to do when people have invested and made lives in former Gaza territory) and there can be a long term peace. With stability and mutual respect Isreal can also be a catalyst for development. Atm that is impossible as you can help develop a quasi state that wants to destroy you. Very hard to at least.
There's been a lot of talk from Israeli authorities that they want Gaza to be run by the PA once Hamas are gone. This isn't them taking Gaza, it's them ridding the place of those who are an enemy to Israelis and Palestinians alike.
 
Indulge me, if you will, in a game of hypothesis or fan fiction - because I'm seeing more and more people refer to Israel as a terrorist state both in this site and on various social media sites. Let's play out two scenarios:

1. Hamas and hezbollah win the war against the IDF

What would hamas and Hezbollah do with the soldiers and government officials who surrender?
What would they do with the civilians of Israel? The Jewish civilians, the Christian civilians, the Muslim civilians, the homosexual civilians etc?
Once they'd achieved this win, what would happen next? Peace in the middle East?
What would happen to Jews elsewhere in the world?

2. The IDF win the war against Hamas and Hezbollah

What would the IDF do with the soldiers and government officials who surrender?

What would they do with the civilians of Palestine?

Once they'd achieved this win, what would happen next? Peace in the middle East?

What would happen to Muslims elsewhere in the world?


Now, if you've answered the above questions honestly, can you state, hand on heart, that Israel is a terrorist state?
 
I don't know the circumstances that you're referring to with regards detaining 5 year olds but now seems an apt time to remind you all that since the 90's there have been ~90 separate suicide bomb attacks in Israel, with the perpetrators being young, old, male, female.... on behalf of hamas, PIJ or other terrorist cells

Before you point fingers at soldiers detaining children just imagine what it would be like for you, just a normal civilian going about your life, with the constant threat of suicide bombers

27 suicide bombers in 2002 alone

In bus stations, universities, restaurants, markets, clubs

Here's a link because I'm sure you'll deny it's true

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

And each of these suicide bombers have been claimed by hamas or PIJ etc, they've admitted to it, proudly
"Israeli army claimed the boy was a threat...."


I could find 100s of similar incidents. It's just not right, and nothing a proposed democratic and civilized state should ever do!
 
I enjoyed his speech on the truth not being the truth just because you wanna believe it is....

He did a good segment about Biden recently. He’s always railed against ageism and people who say Biden is too old but even he has had to admit that Biden may not be up to the job anymore. Basically said Biden can do the job but running for president could be Biden’s undoing, particularly when it comes to the debates.
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna120881

Top U.S. law firm Davis Polk announced in an internal email that it had rescinded letters of employment for three law students at Harvard and Columbia universities who it believed were tied to organizational statements about Israel, one of the latest responses to open letters from university groups about the Israel-Hamas conflict that have roiled university donors, employers, alumni and students.


These statements are simply contrary to our firm’s values and we thus concluded that rescinding these offers was appropriate in upholding our responsibility to provide a safe and inclusive work environment for all Davis Polk employees,” said the email, signed by Neil Barr.



Small-business lawyer Joseph Gerstel posted a screenshot of the email Tuesday on LinkedIn. A Davis Polk representative confirmed it as authentic.

Barr went on to write, “At this time, we remain in dialogue with two of these students to ensure that any further color being offered to us by these students is considered.”

A representative of Davis Polk pointed to a statement that was included in the email: “The views expressed in certain of the statements signed by law school student organizations in recent days are in direct contravention of our firm’s value system. For this reason and to ensure we continue to maintain a supportive and inclusive work environment, the student leaders responsible for signing on to these statements are no longer welcome in our firm; and their offers of employment have thus been rescinded.”

The representative did not immediately respond to a question about how the firm identified the students as having signed the statements.

The identities of the students were not revealed in the email, which did not specify which statements the students allegedly signed. A series of public statements supporting Palestinians and blaming Israel for the recent Israel-Hamas conflict has created a firestorm on college campuses and in corporate America since last week.


On Oct. 10, The Harvard Crimson, one of the university’s student-run news publications, reported that more than 30 Harvard student groups signed on to a letter that said they held Israel “entirely responsible” for “all unfolding violence” in the conflict, which came after a surprise Hamas attack on Israel killed over 1,300 people. Since the letter was published, numerous CEOs, business leaders and a federal judge have responded by cutting ties with the university, calling for the identifications of students involved with the letter or saying they would not hire the students involved.

Sweetgreen CEO Jonathan Neman posted on Xthat he would “like to know” which students signed the Harvard statement “so I know never to hire these people.”

“Same,” EasyHealth CEO David Duel wrote on X, replying to Neman.


FabFitFun CEO Michael Broukhim echoed them, and in a post on X he wrote, “Discriminating against terrorist supporters is the most comically easy decision I’ll ever have to make as a CEO.”

Judge Matthew Solomson of the U.S. Court of Federal Claims also reportedly made a statement on LinkedIn that he would not let any of the students who signed on to the statements clerk for him.

Prominent donors have also cut ties with Harvard over the statement, including the Wexner Foundation — co-founded by Leslie Wexner, the former CEO of Victoria’s Secret.

The Harvard Crimson reported last week that at least four online websites have revealed the identities and personal information of students in groups that signed the statement. The Harvard student group that issued the statement has removed the list of organizations that signed on to it.


Harvard President Claudine Gay pushed back against the students’ statement, writing in her own statement to the Crimson on Oct. 10 that “no student group — not even 30 student groups — speaks for Harvard University or its leadership.”

Student groups at other Ivy League universities, including Columbia University, issued similar joint statements in support of Palestinians.

A week previously, another prominent New York City law firm, Winston & Strawn, announced it had rescinded a former summer associate’s letter of employment over “inflammatory comments” that were distributed to the NYU Student Bar Association.
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna120881

Top U.S. law firm Davis Polk announced in an internal email that it had rescinded letters of employment for three law students at Harvard and Columbia universities who it believed were tied to organizational statements about Israel, one of the latest responses to open letters from university groups about the Israel-Hamas conflict that have roiled university donors, employers, alumni and students.


These statements are simply contrary to our firm’s values and we thus concluded that rescinding these offers was appropriate in upholding our responsibility to provide a safe and inclusive work environment for all Davis Polk employees,” said the email, signed by Neil Barr.



Small-business lawyer Joseph Gerstel posted a screenshot of the email Tuesday on LinkedIn. A Davis Polk representative confirmed it as authentic.

Barr went on to write, “At this time, we remain in dialogue with two of these students to ensure that any further color being offered to us by these students is considered.”

A representative of Davis Polk pointed to a statement that was included in the email: “The views expressed in certain of the statements signed by law school student organizations in recent days are in direct contravention of our firm’s value system. For this reason and to ensure we continue to maintain a supportive and inclusive work environment, the student leaders responsible for signing on to these statements are no longer welcome in our firm; and their offers of employment have thus been rescinded.”

The representative did not immediately respond to a question about how the firm identified the students as having signed the statements.

The identities of the students were not revealed in the email, which did not specify which statements the students allegedly signed. A series of public statements supporting Palestinians and blaming Israel for the recent Israel-Hamas conflict has created a firestorm on college campuses and in corporate America since last week.


On Oct. 10, The Harvard Crimson, one of the university’s student-run news publications, reported that more than 30 Harvard student groups signed on to a letter that said they held Israel “entirely responsible” for “all unfolding violence” in the conflict, which came after a surprise Hamas attack on Israel killed over 1,300 people. Since the letter was published, numerous CEOs, business leaders and a federal judge have responded by cutting ties with the university, calling for the identifications of students involved with the letter or saying they would not hire the students involved.

Sweetgreen CEO Jonathan Neman posted on Xthat he would “like to know” which students signed the Harvard statement “so I know never to hire these people.”

“Same,” EasyHealth CEO David Duel wrote on X, replying to Neman.


FabFitFun CEO Michael Broukhim echoed them, and in a post on X he wrote, “Discriminating against terrorist supporters is the most comically easy decision I’ll ever have to make as a CEO.”

Judge Matthew Solomson of the U.S. Court of Federal Claims also reportedly made a statement on LinkedIn that he would not let any of the students who signed on to the statements clerk for him.

Prominent donors have also cut ties with Harvard over the statement, including the Wexner Foundation — co-founded by Leslie Wexner, the former CEO of Victoria’s Secret.

The Harvard Crimson reported last week that at least four online websites have revealed the identities and personal information of students in groups that signed the statement. The Harvard student group that issued the statement has removed the list of organizations that signed on to it.


Harvard President Claudine Gay pushed back against the students’ statement, writing in her own statement to the Crimson on Oct. 10 that “no student group — not even 30 student groups — speaks for Harvard University or its leadership.”

Student groups at other Ivy League universities, including Columbia University, issued similar joint statements in support of Palestinians.

A week previously, another prominent New York City law firm, Winston & Strawn, announced it had rescinded a former summer associate’s letter of employment over “inflammatory comments” that were distributed to the NYU Student Bar Association.
Excellent news. If only someone could publish a list of those marching through London recently, it would be of great benefit to employers (should any of them ever decide to get a job).
 
Indulge me, if you will, in a game of hypothesis or fan fiction - because I'm seeing more and more people refer to Israel as a terrorist state both in this site and on various social media sites. Let's play out two scenarios:

1. Hamas and hezbollah win the war against the IDF

What would hamas and Hezbollah do with the soldiers and government officials who surrender?
What would they do with the civilians of Israel? The Jewish civilians, the Christian civilians, the Muslim civilians, the homosexual civilians etc?
Once they'd achieved this win, what would happen next? Peace in the middle East?
What would happen to Jews elsewhere in the world?

2. The IDF win the war against Hamas and Hezbollah

What would the IDF do with the soldiers and government officials who surrender?

What would they do with the civilians of Palestine?

Once they'd achieved this win, what would happen next? Peace in the middle East?

What would happen to Muslims elsewhere in the world?


Now, if you've answered the above questions honestly, can you state, hand on heart, that Israel is a terrorist state?
It's bombed and killed thousands of civilians, stopping aid getting to 2 million people in dire need of it, stopping fuel getting to them resulting in terrible living conditions (no sanitation, hospitals closing) and ignoring international laws.
Sounds pretty much like a terrorist state to me. Just because one side are terrorists doesn't mean the other isn't too.
 
He did a good segment about Biden recently. He’s always railed against ageism and people who say Biden is too old but even he has had to admit that Biden may not be up to the job anymore. Basically said Biden can do the job but running for president could be Biden’s undoing, particularly when it comes to the debates.
If Trump is running there will be no debates.
 
"which would make it the deadliest shooting in the US this year"

There's something chilling about the words "this year" in that statement, in the way it just normalises the event.
Oh well, thoughts and prayers I guess.
 
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