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If anyone else has always thought that Steve Richards is an astute political commentator, just noticed on Twitter that he’s a season ticket holder. Perhaps one for the politics thread rather than the celebrity fans thread, although he’s entertained me far more than Adele ever has.
 
What if there's a border poll in N.Ireland, but the Unionists won and Brexit phucks up the Good Friday Agreement at the same time? What happens with the Nationalists in N. Ireland at that point?
 
What if there's a border poll in N.Ireland, but the Unionists won and Brexit phucks up the Good Friday Agreement at the same time? What happens with the Nationalists in N. Ireland at that point?

The Unionists want unity with Scotland, not England and Wales, so that's easily solved too
 
But Scotland isn't independent and voted recently to remain part of the UK. Why would they get another referendum? Surely you don't believe in granting the SNP another referendum so soon after the first one, just because the result is inconvenient...
To be fair the result was very close and they didn't really know what they were voting for... Perhaps its fair to have another now they do
 
Northern Ireland can unify with an independent Scotland
I'm presume this is a facetious comment and an obtuse reference to the plantation of Ulster. The more pertinent question would be would a no deal brexit precipitate the break up of the union and that is a real possibility.
 
We havn't left yet, and Brexit looks like its costing the UK. It is certainally not what was promised to us by Leave.

Brexit costing Britain £500m a week and rising, says report



Economy 2.5% smaller than it would have been if UK had voted remain, says thinktank

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The Brexit campaign promised a dividend of £350m a week for leaving. Photograph: Paul Ellis/AFP/Getty Images
Brexit is already costing the public purse £500m a week, new research has found – a stark contrast to the £350m “dividend” promised by the Leave campaign. The Centre for European Reform’s analysis also suggests that the government’s austerity drive would be on the way to completion had Britain voted to stay in the European Union.

It shows that the UK economy is already 2.5% smaller than it would have been had Remain won the referendum. Public finances have been dented by £26bn a year, more than half of the defence budget. This translates to a penalty of £500m a week, a figure that is growing.

The stark finding comes as the Tory conference begins in Birmingham, with Theresa May’s premiership under severe strain. The prime minister faces competing proposals from cabinet ministers over how she should resolve the Brexit impasse with the EU.

The febrile conference coincides with explosive claims that the boss of one UK-based carmaker has been flown by private jet to meet President Emmanuel Macron, in an attempt to persuade the company to move manufacturing to France after Brexit.

Carolyn Fairbairn, director general of the Confederation of British Industry, told the Observer this development was a sign of the economic damage Britain faces from the wrong Brexit deal.

While some cabinet ministers are pushing for a loose, Canada-style trade deal, support is growing in May’s ministerial team and on her backbenches for a deal under which Britain would stay closely tied to the EU for a limited period.

May is being warned that for some businesses a Canada-style deal is little better than crashing out of the EU with no agreement in place. Fairbairn said that companies were already acting to minimise the impact of trade friction at Britain’s borders.

“Among car manufacturers, we have heard of one CEO who has been flown out on private jets to meet Macron about relocating his entire business,” she said. “You have got tens of millions being spent by firms on preparing for friction at borders.

“One of the reasons that the government’s proposals are on the right track is that they will mean no friction at borders. This is what the Canada deal does not do. It does not do it in some really fundamental ways. For some of our members, it is not much better than a no-deal outcome.”

A YouGov poll of 1,000 entrepreneurs and chief executives, carried out by the People’s Vote for another referendum, suggests the Tories risk denting their pro-business reputation over the handling of the Brexit talks. Almost three-quarters (73%) believe Britain is heading for a bad deal. Dominic Grieve, the former attorney general, said it suggested the party was “jeopardising its reputation for economic competence with the business community as a result of the way Brexit has unfolded”.

Meanwhile, Britain’s wealthiest funder of independent scientific research, the Wellcome Trust, says it is losing patience with the government. Writing in the Observer, the trust’s director states that in common with industry and universities, his organisation – which spends more than £1bn a year on medical research – is increasingly nervous.

“No deal would leave a void on access to funding, regulation and, critically, migration,” Farrar states. “Wellcome … wants to support researchers, wherever they are from, in order to tackle the greatest global health challenges. But if the conditions and the culture here are damaged that will affect our support. It is not unconditional.”

The CER thinktank’s model on the costs of Brexit examined its impact up until the end of June. It said the findings were a central estimate that contained a margin of error. Researchers created a model of how Britain’s economy would have performed had Remain won in June 2016. An earlier estimate in the summer suggested that Britain’s economy was 2.1% smaller than it would have been by the end of the first quarter of 2018. As it has developed its model and updated it for the second quarter of 2018, the gap has grown.

The model also suggests that had Britain not voted to leave, the deficit would be down to just 0.1% of GDP, or £2bn. It would mean the austerity drive in place since 2010 would be all but complete.
 
May on Marr this morning, still boiling it down to stopping free movement without having custom checks.

She is an idiot.

Even more so to suggest that WTO might not.
 
May on Marr this morning, still boiling it down to stopping free movement without having custom checks.

She is an idiot.

Even more so to suggest that WTO might not.

Nobody’s position will change during conference. It doesn’t really need to yet. November is when the brick hits the fan and some realism has to intrude.
 
The kind that knows quite a lot about how businesses actually run and is really well placed to judge the effects of Brexit on them?
Who has got most of his predictions wrong so far…the innocent guy actually runs a business and knows the risks and difficulties first hand. Jones just lobbies for business. Not the same thing.
 
The UK could be left with "no choice" but a no-deal Brexit if the EU tries to "lock us in" to a customs union, according to Dominic Raab.

The Brexit secretary will tell his party's conference later that any attempt "via the back door" will be met with the UK walking away.

He will say the UK's willingness to compromise is "not without limits".

Chancellor Philip Hammond told the BBC the EU's views could not be "ignored" but some things were non-negotiable.

He told BBC Radio 4's Today there was a lot of uncertainty surrounding Brexit but the economy would get a boost when the two sides, as he expected, agreed a deal this autumn.

Mr Hammond, who will attempt to look beyond Brexit later by making a speech about plans to raise salaries, said unlike Labour his party understood there were "no short cuts" to supporting and growing the economy.

In his speech in Birmingham, Mr Raab - who has been a vocal supporter of Brexit - will say: "We are leaving the European Union in fact, not just in name.

"If an attempt is made to lock us in via the back door of the EEA [European Economic Area] and customs union... or if the only offer from the EU threatens the integrity of our union, then we will be left with no choice but to leave without a deal."

But he will also use his speech to repeat his backing for Theresa May's Brexit plan - known as Chequers - which has received criticism from both Remainers and Leavers.

"Our proposals would deliver a historic agreement that provides a roadmap out of the EU and a final deal that will be good for the whole country," Mr Raab will say.

What is wrong with Chequers?
Brexiteers feel it keeps the UK far too close to Brussels and doesn't fulfil the Leave campaign's promise during the 2016 referendum campaign to "take back control".

EU leaders have rejected the plan because they believe it would undermine the single market by allowing the UK to "cherry pick" from EU law.

Theresa May says the ball is now in their court and she wants a more detailed response from them on their objections.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said last week his party would back Mrs May in Parliament - if she agrees to their plan for a customs union with the EU and a Brexit deal that guarantees workers' rights and protects jobs.

But Mr Raab will warn there are limits to the UK's readiness to compromise and they will not accept a customs union.

Neither will the government agree to anything that divides Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK nor makes the country a member of the EEA like Norway.

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What will the chancellor say on salaries?
The Remain-backing chancellor, Mr Hammond, will call on Conservatives to convince voters that their policies will "deliver a better tomorrow for them and their families" and warn that slow wage growth and job insecurity means too many people fear they are being left behind.

Mr Hammond will announce the government's intention to increase the number of people who can access science and technology courses and spend about £30m on encouraging big business to mentor small firms.

His plans also include a £125m package allowing large employers to transfer up to 25% of their apprenticeship levy funds to businesses in their supply chain from April next year.

The apprenticeship levy is a tax on large companies intended to pay for training at smaller companies, but uptake of the new policy has been slow.

Mr Hammond rejected suggestions that Brexit had caused an irreparable rift between his party and business.

"The Conservative Party has business at its core," he told Today. "We are the party of business and will always be the party of business...Business is aligned with our principles and values.

"We have to listen to business and I will show today that we have been listening to business with a series of announcements in responses to challenges we have received from business."

The Conservatives will also announce plans to stop restaurant chains taking tips left for staff by diners although Labour said it had simply followed their lead.

"This is now the fourth policy the Tories have copied from us at their conference," shadow business secretary Rebecca Long Bailey said: "It's beginning to feel like Groundhog Day."
 
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