Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[Silly McSilly Face]

It's interesting...i wonder how much of their woes are down to not having access to cheap and very profitable resources from the Sahel , such as Uranium from Burkina Faso....

Its just a particularly magnified version of what's gone on in most large, advanced European economies:
1) borrowed huge amounts to refloat the economy in the wake of the financial crash in 2008.
2) euro membership meant they couldn't independently manage their own public debt downwards sparking the eurozone crisis and ongoing flat economic growth.
3) austerity measures imposed by the ECB degraded living standards and public services over the remainder of the 2010s.
4) Just aa they had recovered their fiscal position Covid hit plunging the country back to 2010 economic positions in terms of debt and budger deficit but with the added killer of rising inflation as the economy opened back up.
5) Russian war in Ukraine and western sanctions sparked a wholesale energy market crisis that is still going on creating inflationary pressures that are unprecedented since WW2.
6) October 7 sparked another middle east crisis with Iran backed attacks on global shipping adding to the huge inflationery pressures.
7) The French government are faced with the fiscal and economic need to impose austetity measures once again to manage debt while also increasing taxes and trying to hit people in their pockets to manage inflation. However the public are exhausted after 2 decades of hardship and there is no political concensus as to how to deal with it all. The backdrop of febrile bond markets threatening to Liz Truss the French econony at the whiff of any economic mismanagement and a parliament where no political party has a majority has created a paralysis and seemingly a death cycle they are unable to get out of.
8) Its almost comical now that Macron appoints a new PM, who toddles off to work with the economists and treasurers to come up with an economic plan that is necessary only for it to be rejected by Parliament and then they resign. Then the next guy brings the same plan back with the same results. The only way out is another election to attempt to break the deadlock but with the National Front extremely popular and the only way of stopping them tactical voting it is quite likely another election would end up in a 3-way hung parliament again.

 

[glasgowspur]

Its just a particularly magnified version of what's gone on in most large, advanced European economies:
1) borrowed huge amounts to refloat the economy in the wake of the financial crash in 2008.
2) euro membership meant they couldn't independently manage their own public debt downwards sparking the eurozone crisis and ongoing flat economic growth.
3) austerity measures imposed by the ECB degraded living standards and public services over the remainder of the 2010s.
4) Just aa they had recovered their fiscal position Covid hit plunging the country back to 2010 economic positions in terms of debt and budger deficit but with the added killer of rising inflation as the economy opened back up.
5) Russian war in Ukraine and western sanctions sparked a wholesale energy market crisis that is still going on creating inflationary pressures that are unprecedented since WW2.
6) October 7 sparked another middle east crisis with Iran backed attacks on global shipping adding to the huge inflationery pressures.
7) The French government are faced with the fiscal and economic need to impose austetity measures once again to manage debt while also increasing taxes and trying to hit people in their pockets to manage inflation. However the public are exhausted after 2 decades of hardship and there is no political concensus as to how to deal with it all. The backdrop of febrile bond markets threatening to Liz Truss the French econony at the whiff of any economic mismanagement and a parliament where no political party has a majority has created a paralysis and seemingly a death cycle they are unable to get out of.
8) Its almost comical now that Macron appoints a new PM, who toddles off to work with the economists and treasurers to come up with an economic plan that is necessary only for it to be rejected by Parliament and then they resign. Then the next guy brings the same plan back with the same results. The only way out is another election to attempt to break the deadlock but with the National Front extremely popular and the only way of stopping them tactical voting it is quite likely another election would end up in a 3-way hung parliament again.

And the longer it goes on the less popular the centre parties become and the more the voters will move towards the national front.

 

[Gutter Boy]

The just need to give Melenchon the job and try something a bit less neo-lib. Macron just wont make him PM, as he knows it will be a bridge to him becoming President in 2027

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

The just need to give Melenchon the job and try something a bit less neo-lib. Macron just wont make him PM, as he knows it will be a bridge to him becoming President in 2027

France can't try something a bit less neo-lib. Government's are waking up to the fact that when you borrow a sh*t tonne of money the people you are immediately answerable and beholden to are international investors NOT the electorate. Something Liz Truss painfully discovered. They can and will tank your economy, and the value of your citizen's pensions if they don't like what you're doing.

 

[LutonSpurs]

Macron has to choose between fascists and socialists and he is trying to do neither.

 

[Robspur12]

So Robert Jenrick says “Handsworth was one of the worst integrated places he had ever been to” and he railed that he hadn’t seen “another white face for over an hour.”When did it become OK for a sitting MP to say these sorts of things? To not apologise or see that their language was inflammatory. To disrespect whole sections of British Society. I am British and non white; is he saying I’m not integrated? It’s amazing how far right the Overton window has shifted and it’s no wonder that non white communities are increasingly afraid where THEIR country is heading. If he is the most likely candidate to replace Badenoch then I really hope the Tories are obliterated.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

HOWEVER, the old testament is included in the bible for reference. The entire point of Christian religion is that humans had lost their way and were constantly tinkling GHod off with their violence, raping and sins and so Jesus came to teach us a better way and sacrificed himself so that GHod would forgive us and halt the violent interference we saw in the OT. Its literally the entire point of Christianity (how uncivilised we were before Christ and how Christ changed things).

So with the way things are going, it looks like we are going to require a new dude to come along

 

[Rorschach]

So with the way things are going, it looks like we are going to require a new dude to come along

She'll be along any day.

 

[Mikey10]

So Robert Jenrick says “Handsworth was one of the worst integrated places he had ever been to” and he railed that he hadn’t seen “another white face for over an hour.”When did it become OK for a sitting MP to say these sorts of things? To not apologise or see that their language was inflammatory. To disrespect whole sections of British Society. I am British and non white; is he saying I’m not integrated? It’s amazing how far right the Overton window has shifted and it’s no wonder that non white communities are increasingly afraid where THEIR country is heading. If he is the most likely candidate to replace Badenoch then I really hope the Tories are obliterated.

Supremely well said, sir.

 

[Robspur12]

Supremely well said, sir.

The irony of Badenoch defending him in order to win power is not lost on me. I can't decide if she's misunderstood him or just plain stupid. Probably both. Sunak was right in that he didn't rate her.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

So Robert Jenrick says “Handsworth was one of the worst integrated places he had ever been to” and he railed that he hadn’t seen “another white face for over an hour.”When did it become OK for a sitting MP to say these sorts of things? To not apologise or see that their language was inflammatory. To disrespect whole sections of British Society. I am British and non white; is he saying I’m not integrated? It’s amazing how far right the Overton window has shifted and it’s no wonder that non white communities are increasingly afraid where THEIR country is heading. If he is the most likely candidate to replace Badenoch then I really hope the Tories are obliterated.

As i keep saying, who cares about the tories. They're dead. Jenrick only has a majority of about 3k in Newark. He's probably toast too.

 

[thfcsteff]

As i keep saying, who cares about the tories. They're dead. Jenrick only has a majority of about 3k in Newark. He's probably toast too.

Would you at least acknowledge what @Robspur12 was actually saying?

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Would you at least acknowledge what @Robspur12 was actually saying?

I think its pretty stupid and unpleasant to use skin colour as a reference in respect of integration. People can't integrate their skin colour (ok ok, maybe Michael Jackson tried...).

I think there is a valid point in there of ghettos of the same kind of culture where immigrant bubbles are created with whole neighbourhoods made up of their people and shops. I remember Sajid Javid making a similar point of his own community where he said he knew people that had lived in England for over 10 years and couldn't speak a word of English - because they didn't need to. And i do think that has been a failure of British policy.

 

[thfcsteff]

I think its pretty stupid and unpleasant to use skin colour as a reference in respect of integration. People can't integrate their skin colour (ok ok, maybe Michael Jackson tried...).

I think there is a valid point in there of ghettos of the same kind of culture where immigrant bubbles are created with whole neighbourhoods made up of their people and shops. I remember Sajid Javid making a similar point of his own community where he said he knew people that had lived in England for over 10 years and couldn't speak a word of English - because they didn't need to. And i do think that has been a failure of British policy.

Crikey...alright then!!!

 

[LutonSpurs]

I think its pretty stupid and unpleasant to use skin colour as a reference in respect of integration. People can't integrate their skin colour (ok ok, maybe Michael Jackson tried...).

I think there is a valid point in there of ghettos of the same kind of culture where immigrant bubbles are created with whole neighbourhoods made up of their people and shops. I remember Sajid Javid making a similar point of his own community where he said he knew people that had lived in England for over 10 years and couldn't speak a word of English - because they didn't need to. And i do think that has been a failure of British policy.

Jenrick didn't say they couldn't speak English. He spoke on the skin colour.

That area hasn't always been just brown people btw. There were indigenous people who chose to move away. Then when other people chose to move to an area where people they know are it slowly became what it became. Where is the sin. The people who moved as they didn't want to stay and integrate or the people who moved in from outside?

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Jenrick didn't say they couldn't speak English. He spoke on the skin colour.

That area hasn't always been just brown people btw. There were indigenous people who chose to move away. Then when other people chose to move to an area where people they know are it slowly became what it became. Where is the sin. The people who moved as they didn't want to stay and integrate or the people who moved in from outside?

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[ricky2tricky4city]

I think its pretty stupid and unpleasant to use skin colour as a reference in respect of integration. People can't integrate their skin colour (ok ok, maybe Michael Jackson tried...).

I think there is a valid point in there of ghettos of the same kind of culture where immigrant bubbles are created with whole neighbourhoods made up of their people and shops. I remember Sajid Javid making a similar point of his own community where he said he knew people that had lived in England for over 10 years and couldn't speak a word of English - because they didn't need to. And i do think that has been a failure of British policy.

When a politician reduces his assessment down to the lowest differentiator of colour of skin, he's either a flippant mouthy Alf Garnett type or has deep seated prejudices he's oblivious too.

Whichever it is, his job can't be representing people.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Its just a particularly magnified version of what's gone on in most large, advanced European economies:
1) borrowed huge amounts to refloat the economy in the wake of the financial crash in 2008.
2) euro membership meant they couldn't independently manage their own public debt downwards sparking the eurozone crisis and ongoing flat economic growth.
3) austerity measures imposed by the ECB degraded living standards and public services over the remainder of the 2010s.
4) Just aa they had recovered their fiscal position Covid hit plunging the country back to 2010 economic positions in terms of debt and budger deficit but with the added killer of rising inflation as the economy opened back up.
5) Russian war in Ukraine and western sanctions sparked a wholesale energy market crisis that is still going on creating inflationary pressures that are unprecedented since WW2.
6) October 7 sparked another middle east crisis with Iran backed attacks on global shipping adding to the huge inflationery pressures.
7) The French government are faced with the fiscal and economic need to impose austetity measures once again to manage debt while also increasing taxes and trying to hit people in their pockets to manage inflation. However the public are exhausted after 2 decades of hardship and there is no political concensus as to how to deal with it all. The backdrop of febrile bond markets threatening to Liz Truss the French econony at the whiff of any economic mismanagement and a parliament where no political party has a majority has created a paralysis and seemingly a death cycle they are unable to get out of.
8) Its almost comical now that Macron appoints a new PM, who toddles off to work with the economists and treasurers to come up with an economic plan that is necessary only for it to be rejected by Parliament and then they resign. Then the next guy brings the same plan back with the same results. The only way out is another election to attempt to break the deadlock but with the National Front extremely popular and the only way of stopping them tactical voting it is quite likely another election would end up in a 3-way hung parliament again.

Think you're forgetting Macronomics.

Hasn't worked one bit.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

France can't try something a bit less neo-lib. Government's are waking up to the fact that when you borrow a sh*t tonne of money the people you are immediately answerable and beholden to are international investors NOT the electorate. Something Liz Truss painfully discovered. They can and will tank your economy, and the value of your citizen's pensions if they don't like what you're doing.

Ay

Have you by the short and curlies

The tail wags the dog

 

[Grays_1890]

Jenrick didn't say they couldn't speak English. He spoke on the skin colour.

That area hasn't always been just brown people btw. There were indigenous people who chose to move away. Then when other people chose to move to an area where people they know are it slowly became what it became. Where is the sin. The people who moved as they didn't want to stay and integrate or the people who moved in from outside?

Bit like Whitechapel, my Grandparents moved there and then moved out, when my Grandad got enough money to move out he did, towards Woodford then my Mum met my dad and we ended up in Essex, then those that came after did so because it was affordable. I see alot written about East London, loads of reformer types up in arms about the Bengali/British signs which adorn the area including Brick Lane like its a new thing, when its been like that for the past 25+ years that I have been in and about the area (and I have to say I effing love the area for vibrancy).

Its the same with East London Mosque, been there since the early 1900s where people have integrated in the area, no one will acknowledge that though, doesn't fit narrative.

Next they will be up in arms about China Town