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Gazza said:
The audacity from you who hides behind deflecting. I’ve made my position very clear about the clear disdain I have for sharia, Islamists and Islamism. I’ve also made it very clear that I do not hate Muslims. They have the brain capacity to not believe in it also.

You on the other hand have retorted to trying to brush off your stance on sharia stupidity and tried to hide behind you loling and trying every which way to steer well clear of your views on the stupidity that it is.

You want to call everything racist but will not call out sharia which is pretty right wing in itself yet want to brand anyone who may agree with SOME of Tommy Robinsons views as all racists.

Your heritage is Pakistani and you should know how the terrorist haven of Pakistan harbours sharia, wastes IMF money daily and worst of all the bacha baazi (child sex brothels).

Unhinged? Like I said it’s all fun and games it’s a forum.
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My advice?
Treat 'a forum' like you would a pub chat or coffee shop conversation.
Speak to people here with some manners, self-accountability, and decorum.
Don't say things which you wouldn't say to a person's face.
I don't treat this place as 'fun & games', I treat it as a place to have 'conversations' or exchanges with Spurs supporters on various topics. Over the years we've all built 'online relationships'.

I think they're worth respecting.
 
thfcsteff said:
My advice?
Treat 'a forum' like you would a pub chat or coffee shop conversation.
Speak to people here with some manners, self-accountability, and decorum.
Don't say things which you wouldn't say to a person's face.
I don't treat this place as 'fun & games', I treat it as a place to have 'conversations' or exchanges with Spurs supporters on various topics. Over the years we've all built 'online relationships'.

I think they're worth respecting.
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That’s really admirable but I think you are missing a point in pot calling kettle black. If you have found friends online I can’t relate. I prefer having conversations face to face. I also can’t have one person given a pass and then point the finger at others.

I respectfully understand your position
 
Gazza said:
That’s really admirable but I think you are missing a point in pot calling kettle black. If you have found friends online I can’t relate. I prefer having conversations face to face. I also can’t have one person given a pass and then point the finger at others.

I respectfully understand your position
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First of all, apologies. I can see how that might have seemed very 'directed and personal' when the truth is you made a comment (internet fun & games) which I saw as an appropriate moment to express said-opinion. Again, apologies if offence was caused.

I think it's clear to all who are on this forum that I also prefer face-to-face conversations. However that is largely not possible on this (or any) Internet forum (obviously). I have actually met a fair few people from here (proportionatelty speaking), indeed, the weekly podcast sprung from this forum.


My (admittedly uninvited) view on the squabble you're currently angaged in? You appear to want someone to validate their opinion in a way which satisfies your needs to see such a point/opinion validated. That person appears to not feel it is appropriate to apply such a 'standard' simply to satisfy the perceived needs of one person.

My advice (not that you're looking for it, (but hey-ho, here I am at the bar with my pint leaning into the convo unwanted LOL), why not approach the situation from another angle?
Why not simply assume that this person does NOT hold such beliefs? It takes less of a leap of assumption than questioning whether they do.
Not sure if you're too close, but I see a lot of frustration, anger, and perhaps sadness in the exchanges.
I am more than willing to bet that you both have more in common than not (as most of us do on this forum).

I appreciate the conversational engagement and offer the above in that spirit. Be well...

p.s. further on the 'online friends' stuff, I think it is vital that definitions are clear generally. I do agree, 'online friends' are not 'friends' in the traditional sense, simply because there is no measurable human/personal electricity to connect/not connect with. I always told my youngest when she said she had a 'friend' she'd made online that it was an 'online friend' which should always be different to a 'friend'. I think we would both agree such distinctions are almost a thing of the past...sadly. Maybe online relationships can lead to more 'in person friendships; developing over time...
 
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Grays_1890 said:
Unless im missing your tone, I don't have an issue with Islam, I've just come back from 3 weeks in an Islamic country. I was making a point.

Christianity is as bad as anything, look as the church continues to refuse investigations etc

It's also a book whose origins were built around rape and incest
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I am sorry this is total gonads. There are no passages (and i mean zero) in Christian stripture or the bible calling for violence against non-Christians or domination of Christianity.

In fact, Christian script states that your sins will only be forgiven if you forgive the sins of others. Violence is expressly frowned upon and will bring consequences on yourself "those that live by the sword shall die by the sword". Retaliation is expressly forbidden and you must "love thy enemy" and "love thy neigjbour" are noted express commandments by Jesus of his followers.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
I am sorry this is total gonads. There are no passages (and i mean zero) in Christian stripture or the bible calling for violence against non-Christians or domination of Christianity.

In fact, Christian script states that your sins will only be forgiven if you forgive the sins of others. Violence is expressly frowned upon and will bring consequences on yourself "those that live by the sword shall die by the sword". Retaliation is expressly forbidden and you must "love thy enemy" and "love thy neigjbour" are noted express commandments by Jesus of his followers.
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Intelligent scholars have worked out that Mary would have been 12-14 when she raped. Unless you really believe in an Angel coming down from the sky the version of having a child from virginity.

There is also a whole heap of incest in the Bible too

That's before the violence, I didn't mention non Christians, you added that to counter a point no one was making.

But let's keep it real, proclaiming you won't be allowed into heaven unless you are a Christian. That's all next level of control and bullying bullsh1t.

Jim Jeffries had it spot on with it all.

If you wanna defend the ridiculousness of the bible then Glenn Hoddle help ya pal
 
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Grays_1890 said:
Intelligent scholars have worked out that Mary would have been 12-14 when she raped. Unless you really believe in an Angel coming down from the sky the version of having a child from virginity.

There is also a whole heap of incest in the Bible too

That's before the violence

Good grief
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She is only raped if you disbelieve the entire religion as the entire tenant of Christianity is the emaculate conception.

There is a whole heap of violence in the old testament. For example the whole story of noahs ark is that GHod basically decided to have a massive hissy fit one day and just f*cking wipe out anything that couldn't get on the f*cking boat.

HOWEVER, the old testament is included in the bible for reference. The entire point of Christian religion is that humans had lost their way and were constantly tinkling GHod off with their violence, raping and sins and so Jesus came to teach us a better way and sacrificed himself so that GHod would forgive us and halt the violent interference we saw in the OT. Its literally the entire point of Christianity (how uncivilised we were before Christ and how Christ changed things).

I had these teachings ingrained on me as a child but i was also brought up in a muslim majority country reading the quran and praying with muslims so i am intimately familiar with both faiths.
 
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Silly McSilly Face said:
She is only raped if you disbelieve the entire religion as the entire tenant of Christianity is the emaculate conception.

There is a whole heap of violence in the old testament. For example the whole story of noahs ark is that GHod basically decided to have a massive hissy fit one day and just f*cking wipe out anything that couldn't get on the f*cking boat.
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So she was raped then
 
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