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Silly McSilly Face said:
Why would I have to say that spraying graffiti on someone's shop or shouting racist abuse is wrong as a caveat to a point i'm making? These are just a given.
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Because you times that view by millions of people with the same "I shouldn't have to say it" and innocent people continue to be targeted by racists in this era of intended conflation.

Well done for turning a blind eye
 
Cabinet reshuffle that seems to pull the rug from under Reeves just before the autumn budget...i'm guessing the answer to the Q. Will they break Reeve's fiscal rules or their pledge not to raise primary taxes....may possibly be hinting at an answer...watch the markets!!
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Go on, just one example
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Lucy Conolly.....More than once. Didn't call out what she said, then leapt to her defence with the whole "misunderstood act" despite her saying literally "if that makes me racist so be it"

Countless other examples, I seem to remember vigorous defence of Trump despite everyone with a braincell knowing what he is, and I'm not talking defence of his politics.

I'm not here to tell you what to say or think, thats on you, but I can't remember a time you have called out right wing actions, including extreme actions whilst leaping to many a defence or trying to justify action. That says more about someone than just their wish to test robustness of views.

That coupled with your long confession of how you feel about immigrants paints a pretty clear picture TBH mate
 
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Grays_1890 said:
Lucy Conolly.....More than once. Didn't call out what she said, then leapt to her defence with the whole "misunderstood act" despite her saying literally "if that makes me racist so be it"

Countless other examples, I seem to remember vigorous defence of Trump despite everyone with a braincell knowing what he is, and I'm not talking defence of his politics.

I'm not hear to tell you what to say or think, thats on you, but I can't remember a time you have called out right wing actions, including extreme actions whilst leaping to many a defence or trying to justify action. That says more about someone than just their wish to test robustness of views.

That coupled with your long confession of how you feel about immigrants paints a pretty clear picture TBH mate
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He has probably gone back and edited every post
 
Grays_1890 said:
Lucy Conolly.....More than once. Didn't call out what she said, then leapt to her defence with the whole "misunderstood act" despite her saying literally "if that makes me racist so be it"

Countless other examples, I seem to remember vigorous defence of Trump despite everyone with a braincell knowing what he is, and I'm not talking defence of his politics.

I'm not here to tell you what to say or think, thats on you, but I can't remember a time you have called out right wing actions, including extreme actions whilst leaping to many a defence or trying to justify action. That says more about someone than just their wish to test robustness of views.

That coupled with your long confession of how you feel about immigrants paints a pretty clear picture TBH mate
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I didn't defend Lucy Conolly. In fact, I pointed out explicitly the tweet that got her convicted, which wasn't the tweets you lot were whinging about in this thread, it was a tweet calling for people to set fire to mosques.

What i was saying was humans are more complex than the anger driven reactionism on display in this thread. Lucy Conolly has a platform and is garnering support from people. If you label someone a scumbag extremist and basically want to wash your hands of them because they did a tweet, rather than engage with the person and the emotions behind it, you are part of the problem. Nobody wants to engage, they want to vilify, pile on and shout. And what you do then is drive people into the arms of the far right, or of the far left, of terrorist groups, of anger and isolation.

Trump is Trump. You can like him or loathe him. You can loathe him while also considering whether he is right on Ukraine/Russia and on other policies. I think he's an intelligent man who has been very successful in his life and is actually right on a lot of things.

I'm open about my emotions and I engage with them. Because I acknowledge my own unconscious biases doesn't make me an extremist, nor has anything I have said on here been a defence of extremism.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
I didn't defend Lucy Conolly. In fact, I pointed out explicitly the tweet that got her convicted, which wasn't the tweets you lot were whinging about in this thread, it was a tweet calling for people to set fire to mosques.
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You have literally just done, what you said you don't do in all that nonsense, no more so in the "Trump is Trump" and subsequent summary. Thank you for again proving my point about not being able to say anything negative about the extreme right wing whilst making up a load of b0llox to defend that stance.

No one said it was, people elaborated on why they felt she was a scum bag aka, subsequent tweets, no remorse and the right wing grift tour

Then out the silhouette of the right wing gas works appeared Silly McSIlly Face and his excuse book 101 why people are racist and why its to be expected/forgiven.

You can war and peace it as much as you like, but thats the simplified version of what happened and can't be hidden in word soups

At the end of the day, lets be honest, the reason I can't call any of it out is because it all aligns with your own prejudice
 
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Silly McSilly Face said:
I didn't defend Lucy Conolly. In fact, I pointed out explicitly the tweet that got her convicted, which wasn't the tweets you lot were whinging about in this thread, it was a tweet calling for people to set fire to mosques.

What i was saying was humans are more complex than the anger driven reactionism on display in this thread. Lucy Conolly has a platform and is garnering support from people. If you label someone a scumbag extremist and basically want to wash your hands of them because they did a tweet, rather than engage with the person and the emotions behind it, you are part of the problem. Nobody wants to engage, they want to vilify, pile on and shout. And what you do then is drive people into the arms of the far right, or of the far left, of terrorist groups, of anger and
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The tweet that got her convicted was the one where she mentioned the burning of hotels with the immigrants in them and she said if that makes me racist, so be it.
Same tweet.
Unless there was another one about which I missed the opportunity to whinge?
 
Grays_1890 said:
You have literally just done, what you said you don't do in all that nonsense, no more so in the "Trump is Trump" and subsequent summary. Thank you for again proving my point about not being able to say anything negative about the extreme right wing whilst making up a load of b0llox to defend that stance.

No one said it was, people elaborated on why they felt she was a scum bag aka, subsequent tweets, no remorse and the right wing grift tour

Then out the silhouette of the right wing gas works appeared Silly McSIlly Face and his excuse book 101 why people are racist and why its to be expected/forgiven.

You can war and peace it as much as you like, but thats the simplified version of what happened and can't be hidden in word soups

At the end of the day, lets be honest, the reason I can't call any of it out is because it all aligns with your own prejudice
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Where in "all that nonsense" am I defending the "extreme right"? Is Lucy Conolly the extreme right, or is she a typical middle class mum that has got angry about this issue and said some daft sh*t that (rightly) got her in bother? Trump isn't "extreme right wing"
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Where in "all that nonsense" am I defending the "extreme right"? Is Lucy Conolly the extreme right, or is she a typical middle class mum that has got angry about this issue and said some daft sh*t that (rightly) got her in bother?
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She literally posted race hate online, got caught, showed zero remorse and is now on a tour of right wing outlets to claims she was hard done by.

So not to go over old ground, she is a racist, right wing, scumbag cnut...............

I know plenty of typical middle class mums who can go through their lives not being racists and being in prison, you making out its like its just a "whoopsadaisy" moment, absolutely laughable pal
 
Grays_1890 said:
She literally posted race hate online, got caught, showed zero remorse and is now on a tour of right wing outlets to claims she was hard done by.

So not to go over old ground, she is a racist, right wing, scumbag cnut...............

I know plenty of typical middle class mums who can go through their lives not being racists and being in prison, you making out its like its just a "whoopsadaisy" moment, absolutely laughable pal
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How do you know all the typical middle class mums you know haven't said things when your back is turned? Also we often live in a bubble of like minded people these days.

She posted something inappropriate and many would agree that prison time for it was pretty extreme and in that respect, when I've seen people avoid prison for breaking people's bones, hospitalising or killing people while speeding, dealing drugs, there is an argument whether you agree with it or not that she was hard done by. I mean Huw Edwards pleased guilty to possessing 41 indecent images of children including 7 cat A images (the most extreme kind) and he avoided prison.

You are very angry bbut if you think dealing with the problem statement of "people are getting more extreme in their views and actions as anger mounts over government inaction" is "don't engage with the racist right wing scumbag c*nts, then you've already lost the war my friend.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
How do you know all the typical middle class mums you know haven't said things when your back is turned? Also we often live in a bubble of like minded people these days.

She posted something inappropriate and many would agree that prison time for it was pretty extreme and in that respect, when I've seen people avoid prison for breaking people's bones, hospitalising or killing people while speeding, dealing drugs, there is an argument whether you agree with it or not that she was hard done by. I mean Huw Edwards pleased guilty to possessing 41 indecent images of children including 7 cat A images (the most extreme kind) and he avoided prison.

You are very angry bbut if you think dealing with the problem statement of "people are getting more extreme in their views and actions as anger mounts over government inaction" is "don't engage with the racist right wing scumbag c*nts, then you've already lost the war my friend.
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So assumed words in private, that we have no idea if they happened or not are to be considered the same as words that have been clearly written for all to see, everywhere across the globe? I know you love to defend your right wing idols, but thats such a reach..............even for you

Loads of words again to avoid the point of order in that she said something racist, doubled down on it, admitted it, showed zero remorse, doubled down on it and is now looking to monetise her racism by taking money to go on a tour about how she was right. The harshness of the punishment does not play a single point towards anything thats been said or if she is racist or not, thats just another diversion tactic by yourself to avoid calling it what it is.

I am not angry whatsoever, far from it, my disposition in the world is very positive and I see the world in a much brighter light than say someone like yourself.
 
Grays_1890 said:
So assumed words in private, that we have no idea if they happened or not are to be considered the same as words that have been clearly written for all to see, everywhere across the globe? I know you love to defend your right wing idols, but thats such a reach..............even for you

Loads of words again to avoid the point of order in that she said something racist, doubled down on it, admitted it, showed zero remorse, doubled down on it and is now looking to monetise her racism. The harshness of the punishment does not play a single point towards anything thats been said or if she is racist or not, thats just another diversion tactic by yourself to avoid calling it what it is.

I am not angry whatsoever, far from it, my disposition in the world is very positive and I see the world in a much brighter light than say someone like yourself.
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I'm just pointing out that when you are saying that you know plenty of middle class mums that manage to get through life without being racist that's kind of an assumption on your part.

You're saying she and others feel she's been hard done by. I'm just pointing out that there is a not totally invalid perspective that she has - and the punishment is very relevant to that and to the optics (rightly or wrongly) of two tier justice which is fueling increasing anger and increasing acts of stupidity.

You're very angry on here. C*nt, scumbag, fascist. They're not the words of someone basking in positive thoughts. And i'd suggest you also have a pretty black and white view of the world.
 
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