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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

monkeybarry said:
Let me just remind you what you posted;

"It is illegal to enter the UK if you are a non-UK national and do not have leave to enter. There is no defence to the offence that relates to claiming asylum. FYI it is simply a matter of practicality that the majority of people arriving illegally are not prosecuted for the offence"

Now apply that to my correction of your position.

It is ok to admit when you get something wrong or don't understand something properly - that's one way we learn.
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I repeat: it is an offence to enter the UK if you are a non UK national and there is no defence to that offence that relates to claiming asylum. An immigration officer or constable or customs officer acting under direction from an immigration officer may search a person etc for documents to establish their nationality/leave to enter/remain and a person established to be a non UK national to have entered the UK without leave can be detained by an immigration officer or constable- however guidance is that this is usually reserved for those re entering following a deportation order or those suspected of being linked to serious criminality etc. Guidance is that administrative measures such as removal from the UK or consideration as to whether they could be given leave to enter/remain (i.e. whether they may have a valid claim to refugee status) are preferred to detention and prosecution- but be clear this is not a statutory defence- this is guidance to law enforcement officers and prosecutors on practical application of the law.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
I repeat: it is an offence to enter the UK if you are a non UK national and there is no defence to that offence that relates to claiming asylum. An immigration officer or constable or customs officer acting under direction from an immigration officer may search a person etc for documents to establish their nationality/leave to enter/remain and a person established to be a non UK national to have entered the UK without leave can be detained by an immigration officer or constable- however guidance is that this is usually reserved for those re entering following a deportation order or those suspected of being linked to serious criminality etc. Guidance is that administrative measures such as removal from the UK or consideration as to whether they could be given leave to enter/remain (i.e. whether they may have a valid claim to refugee status) are preferred to detention and prosecution- but be clear this is not a statutory defence- this is guidance to law enforcement officers and prosecutors on practical application of the law.
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Did you write that yourself?
Or did you get AI to do it?
Just trying to work out which flavour of wrong I need to educate.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
You've read them...tell me.

I'm not quite sure what part of my other post you were replying to. Why I think they're 'douchebags'?
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I am asking if your views on the issue are relevant assuming you haven't been in their situation either. I mean I haven't been in Vladimir Putin's situation so my views on the rights or wrongs of his invasion of Ukraine are also irrelevant i guess. Makes sense.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
I am asking if your views on the issue are relevant assuming you haven't been in their situation either. I mean I haven't been in Vladimir Putin's situation so my views on the rights or wrongs of his invasion of Ukraine are also irrelevant i guess. Makes sense.
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Yeah. That would be silly as well, offering an opinion from his pov.

I've asked you about some facts and figures on the issue and why you called them 'douchebags'. I haven't offered an opinion, apart from semi supporting your
idea that they're illegal on point of entry.

I do ask quite a few questions but you very rarely answer.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
I am asking if your views on the issue are relevant assuming you haven't been in their situation either. I mean I haven't been in Vladimir Putin's situation so my views on the rights or wrongs of his invasion of Ukraine are also irrelevant i guess. Makes sense.
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Huge difference on opinion and statements of fact though.

You can think you would not risk yours and your child's life for a better life but you can't say without being in their shoes as a matter of fact, I am sure you will argue to the contrary but there we are.

Enjoy people, I am off to fight my way through the apparent cesspit of fallen London for a beer......... wish me luck
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Yeah. That would be silly as well, offering an opinion from his pov.

I've asked you about some facts and figures on the issue and why you called them 'douchebags'. I haven't offered an opinion, apart from semi supporting your
idea that they're illegal on point of entry.

I do ask quite a few questions but you very rarely answer.
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Cant you look up the stats? Ill come back to you but I work and have 3 young children so my replies on here are generally spaffed on the hoof between sh*t ive got to get on with so when youre wanting stats that I dont know off the top of my head you'll hsve to wait - sorry
 
Grays_1890 said:
Huge difference on opinion and statements of fact though.

You can think you would not risk yours and your child's life for a better life but you can't say without being in their shoes as a matter of fact, I am sure you will argue to the contrary but there we are.

Enjoy people, I am off to fight my way through the apparent cesspit of fallen London for a beer......... wish me luck
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So this is one of the cruses of rhe immigration debate though....if theyre crossing the channel "for a better life" they're not a refugee. If theyre crossing the channel to flee persecution - they are a refugee.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
So this is one of the cruses of rhe immigration debate though....if theyre crossing the channel "for a better life" they're not a refugee. If theyre crossing the channel to flee persecution - they are a refugee.
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Both can exist.
But you have no interest in accepting that.
And by the way I don’t need to be referred to as someone who needs immigration status explained to them.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Both can exist.
But you have no interest in accepting that.
And by the way I don’t need to be referred to as someone who needs immigration status explained to them.
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Am I referring to you as someone who needs immigration status explained to them?

Both can exist. I have no problem accepting that. I can see why living here is extremely attractive. But a non-UK national entering the UK without leave "for a better life" does not have refugee status to fall back on to prevent deportation.
 
Mikey10 said:
Fair play to you both for continually engaging. If I heard the kind of views you’re responding to being spouted in a pub I’d order a Guinness and sit in the corner furthest away from the person voicing them. 😃
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As you might've seen mate, I don't really get into politics anymore here. There's too much to be said and not enough time, thus I mostly avoid comment.

This was different to me. It's actually cornerstone stuff with regards to society IMO. But make some room in the corner 'cos I'm heading over with my pint now (NOT to discuss LOL)...

p.s. I think I fibbed a bit because I just replied to another post which floored me TBH
 
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Silly McSilly Face said:
There is an element of a thought process i'm not going to lie in that if ive got my 3 year old kid to France, and they're being fed and looked after in a camp and I think "nah, you know what, I'll stick him on a tiny inflatable boat controlled by international drugs traffickers and the kid ends up washed up face down on a beach......well its not what i'd do in that situation let me tell you.....
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Mate.
This ranks as one of the more unbelievable posts I've seen on this subject.
I cannot even begin to get into this, beyond saying that in my opinion, you really, really need to think about what you wrote there, your absolute refusal (?) to even consider the conditions of those in the situations you detail, and your total placement of blame upon them for getting on those boats versus the reality that desperate situations and gilded promises provoke desperate actions when people are cornered.
I'd best stop...
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Cant you look up the stats? Ill come back to you but I work and have 3 young children so my replies on here are generally spaffed on the hoof between sh*t ive got to get on with so when youre wanting stats that I dont know off the top of my head you'll hsve to wait - sorry
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doubt you've got on with much today WFH, with fighting on multiple fronts and all that ...soz.

One way or another AI will be along shortly...to either help us with rapid debate or do our work for us so we can get on with debating.

Or probably best of all...give us more time with our kids.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
So this is one of the cruses of rhe immigration debate though....if theyre crossing the channel "for a better life" they're not a refugee. If theyre crossing the channel to flee persecution - they are a refugee.
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Do you know the word 'dialectic'?
Can you gauge the following sentence in such a context: 'They are crossing the channel to flee persecution and for a better life.'
That 'better life' is not having to live in giant fudging fear every waking minute of their lives.
What do you think it takes for someone to make the decision to make such drastic moves in theirn life? To leave behind families? To leave behind loved ones? Do you think everyone just decides 'fudge that I'm off for a beano in London'?
 
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