Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[Grays_1890]

How did it harm our chances? Because we are now outside of EU relationships?.

Looking at Small boats...Small boats look to contribute between 25k and 40k of arrivals (since Brexit) so approx 6-9% of net migration. That's NET.
So if we sunk all boats on entering our waters that's the size of dent we would put in 'the problem's.

Well I'm asking because I fleeting saw a report, maybe Brunel that did a who thing about lack of ability to now return to EU country they came from which is now being exploited by both gangsters and the French who know this.

Maybe I read it correctly but from the graph they had, the boats were not as big an issue pre Brexit as it is now.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Didn't Brexit harm our chances of sending people back? Saw something the other day a it how sophisticated networks saw and exploited it and how small boat arrivals came post Brexit and rarely before?.

I don't think there's anything sophisticated about it beyond rolling the dice on peoples lives for a wedge of cash.

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[Grays_1890]

I don't think there's anything sophisticated about it beyond rolling the dice on peoples lives for a wedge of cash.

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I think these networks of criminals are far more sophisticated than anyone gives credit for. Yes they risk people's lives, but they are 10 steps ahead of anyone stopping it.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Set an economic migrant quota at a level to ensure total population level immediately peaks, then start to gradually decrease. This mainly done by stopping all low paid work visas, only allowing highly skilled and post-university permits. Basically end social dumping by big businesses

If we stop all low paid visas do we have the capability to take up the slack from the existing resident population? Numbers wise? (that's before we get to the conversation about the 'want' to do the work)

 

[Grays_1890]

If we stop all low paid visas do we have the capability to take up the slack from the existing resident population? Numbers wise? (that's before we get to the conversation about the 'want' to do the work)

Nope

 

[LutonSpurs]

Migration is unwanted by people with very little to no understanding of basic enonomics. Entertaining what they want is democratic if they were not being lied to at every turn.

The issue with migration is not migration. It's thst we live in a post truth era.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

No one has a plan

Reform bird recently said leave them in the ocean "to drown"....."well it can't continue"

I mean fudging hell

Reform have a plan:
- Secure detention (prison) for illegal migrants processed offshore if necessary.
- Deportation at earliest opportunity back to country of origin (or France if country of origin cant be established due to lack of documents)
- No settlement in the UK for illegal migrants.
- Leave the ECHR which would be the key blocker to implementing such policies.
It is a plan that will work too.

You can talk tough all you like. As long as you know you're going to be picked off the beach, showered, fed and put up in a hotel, or warm house and given a spending card with allowance and legal representation to drag your asylum claim out indefinitely then we are literally the mysterious cities of gold for these people.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Migration is unwanted by people with very little to no understanding of basic enonomics. Entertaining what they want is democratic if they were not being lied to at every turn.

The issue with migration is not migration. It's thst we live in a post truth era.

That migration is essential for the economy is the biggest myth of the modern era. Current population growth, largely driven by immigration, is pretty much the root cause of every single major domestic problem this country faces.

 

[Grays_1890]

Reform have a plan:
- Secure detention (prison) for illegal migrants processed offshore if necessary.
- Deportation at earliest opportunity back to country of origin (or France if country of origin cant be established due to lack of documents)
- No settlement in the UK for illegal migrants.
- Leave the ECHR which would be the key blocker to implementing such policies.
It is a plan that will work too.

You can talk tough all you like. As long as you know you're going to be picked off the beach, showered, fed and put up in a hotel, or warm house and given a spending card with allowance and legal representation to drag your asylum claim out indefinitely then we are literally the mysterious cities of gold for these people.

How do you deport back to country of original country or France without their collaboration?

You can't just randomly land aircraft somewhere you have zero authority, the issues with returning to France has already been exposed in recent weeks

I think its also tough talk with zero grasp of what the reality and logistic say.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

I think these networks of criminals are far more sophisticated than anyone gives credit for. Yes they risk people's lives, but they are 10 steps ahead of anyone stopping it.

There's obviously motivations on all sides.
And perhaps that motivation from EU authorities is not that great since we left the EU. You have to think that French authorities, for example' are 'off the record' thinking 'every migrant that leaves our shores is one more that has deported themselves from our country'. So what levels of 'stopping it' are actually happening,?

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Reform have a plan:
- Secure detention (prison) for illegal migrants processed offshore if necessary.
- Deportation at earliest opportunity back to country of origin (or France if country of origin cant be established due to lack of documents)
- No settlement in the UK for illegal migrants.
- Leave the ECHR which would be the key blocker to implementing such policies.
It is a plan that will work too.

You can talk tough all you like. As long as you know you're going to be picked off the beach, showered, fed and put up in a hotel, or warm house and given a spending card with allowance and legal representation to drag your asylum claim out indefinitely then we are literally the mysterious cities of gold for these people.

If an illegal migrant thought 'fudge this channel crossing gonads, I'm gonna make the smart choice and just settle my arse down in France'......

What do the French do?

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

That migration is essential for the economy is the biggest myth of the modern era. Current population growth, largely driven by immigration, is pretty much the root cause of every single major domestic problem this country faces.

Glug glug

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

How do you deport back to country of original country or France without their collaboration?

You can't just randomly land aircraft somewhere you have zero authority, the issues with returning to France has already been exposed in recent weeks

I think its also tough talk with zero grasp of what the reality and logistic say.

how do you think current deportation works?

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

If an illegal migrant thought 'fudge this channel crossing gonads, I'm gonna make the smart choice and just settle my arse down in France'......

What do the French do?

Not our problem.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Glug glug

You see this discussion was begun by "what can Labour do to stop Reform's march to power?" And fundamentally, this level of engagement will be the Labour party's preferred level of engagement on the Reform threat. And thats why they'll lose.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Not our problem.

I want to know what their process is in comparison to ours?.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

You see this discussion was begun by "what can Labour do to stop Reform's march to power?" And fundamentally, this level of engagement will be the Labour party's preferred level of engagement on the Reform threat. And thats why they'll lose.

Plenty of engagement thanks...read the last couple of pages.

Your definitive ....'immigrants are on the hook for ALL our problems' post is more telling.

 

[Grays_1890]

how do you think current deportation works?

On a set agreement with said country.....

Or it's not happening....which it's not....which is the problem

 

[johnola]

Well I'm asking because I fleeting saw a report, maybe Brunel that did a who thing about lack of ability to now return to EU country they came from which is now being exploited by both gangsters and the French who know this.

Maybe I read it correctly but from the graph they had, the boats were not as big an issue pre Brexit as it is now.

What the fudge has Brexit to do with this ?

 

[Grays_1890]

What the fudge has Brexit to do with this ?

Maybe these are wrong, I will leave it to others to debate, but it was certainly touched upon during the Macron visit also.