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What did they expect? Breaking into military complexes and damaging aircraft?

It's not terrorism agreed but it's not legal. It needs to be nipped in the bud.

We live in a democracy. If you don't like what yhe government does, vote against them. Or have a peaceful protest.

This is the point their making. They accept vandalism and breaking and entry. But this is not terror. They literally spray painted jets used to support the murder of babies in Gaza. More than anything it's hugely embarrassing for the RAF that some hippies on an escooter beat their security and did this.
 
This is the point their making. They accept vandalism and breaking and entry. But this is not terror. They literally spray painted jets used to support the murder of babies in Gaza. More than anything it's hugely embarrassing for the RAF that some hippies on an escooter beat their security and did this.

This is the governments definition.

Tbf you can argue it is. Spraying paint into an aeroplanes engine is serious damage. Puts the pilots life at risk. As those planes are there to protect the british public it puts everyone at risk.
So fair enough.
 
Upholding the law is undemocratic?
Using terrorism powers to uphold the law against non terrorists is, in my opinion. When Kier Starmer first mentioned use of counter-terrorism powers to deal with illegal migrants and associated trafficking activity it made me shudder. When you're held as a terrorist the same rights you have when you're arrested for "normal crimes" don't apply. When you proscribe an organisation as a terrorist organisation and a person as a terrorist merely expressing support or sharing that person's content becomes not just a criminal offence. But a terrorism offence. For context of how far reaching this is, any known members of Palestine Action will get placed on watch lists and banks will HAVE to close their accounts as handling "terrorist property" is a criminal offence in itself.

And its a real slippery slope as the definition of terrorism is being changed by the government, from plotting to kill and maim innocent civilians to spread terror and panic for political aims to menial acts of embarrassment and inconvenience.

You know people cheered the new Labour government abandoning the "Rwanda scheme" but whats more humane, "off shore" processing of asylum claims by those coming here illegally or treating them and their associates as potential terrorists, being able to squirrel them off to behind closed doors court hearings and block their rights to representation and communication....all part of the (rightly - when dealing with "real" terrorists) draconian powers under counter terrorism legislation....
 
This is the point they’re making. They accept vandalism and breaking and entry. But this is not terror. They literally spray painted jets used to support the murder of babies in Gaza. More than anything it's hugely embarrassing for the RAF that some hippies on an escooter beat their security and did this.
They were people who were not put off by the imminent prospect of getting shot.

Absolute fanatics.
 
But if someone just doesn’t eat during the day, is that a problem?
I have my husband in mind as an example who apart from rare occasions only eats 1 meal a day, around 8pm. Not for religious reasons, he has just never eaten during the day. Is it a part of the recruitment process?
If I thought it would be a risk to others, yeah.

If I've got no reason to know about it, I've got no reason to be liable.
 
So you don't have anyone working outside of 08.00-16.00?
Rarely. Most overtime is at the weekends - it's easier to manage as a standard shift.

Sometimes shifts can be staggered across the day but they're all centred around those hours and nobody would do more than 9 or 10 hours in a day
 
These statements are all reductive and one eyed though, that's my point. Yes, its a f**king sh*t show, but i really do not believe that thousands of israeli troops and pilots are out there deliberately trying to commit genocide, targeting innocents. What I believe is that they're there in the main following orders and with the aim of destroying Hamas and rescuing or finding the remaining hostages. Within the ranks will i'm sure be trigger happy extremists/bad apples but yes, this is the reality of sending thousands of young soldiers into a highly densely populated urban area that is also riddled with enemy tunnels, booby traps and where "the enemy" is indistinguishable from everyday Gazans.

You ask me these questions about killing all these people without acknowledging that aid workers, journalists and civilians get killed in all conflicts, that mistakes happen (look at all the friendly fire incidents in Iraq and Afghanistsn between different coalition forces) and that Hamas does infiltrate and use aid organisations, ambulances and convoys and the like to move weapons and fighters.

However i also believe that many in Hamas take up arms to fight due to legitimate grievances, including illegal Israeli settlements, a lack of international recognition, proper government and infrastructure and poverty.

Believing one side's propaganda over another's is futile, perpetuates conflict and leads to the scenes we've had to witness of a massive crowd of young people broadcast on the BBC urging death on thousands of people that have likely signed up to protect their country and people and are reeling from thousands of their own civilians being murdered, and raped, their bodies mutilated and paraded around as trophies like this:
I posted the numbers a few weeks ago. The rate of civilian to combatant deaths is far lower than midst modern conflicts.
 
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