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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
No, its not.

Like I say, idiots. I think people need to actually live a bit before making such decisions.

Your average 16 year old isnt qualified to pick where to do the groceries, let alone who should run the country for the next 5 years.
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Qualified, who is?
Those who are picking the prime minister because he used to be on telly?
Age has little to do with it.
 
Rorschach said:
But a bunch of old fogys about to pop their clogs can change the direction of a country they won't be part of for much longer? I'd trust the kids more than the older generation at this stage considering the absolute fudge show we've made of things.
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The majority of the curmudgeons who voted for Brexit knew they would not be around when brick hit, so why should they care?
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
Corbyn backs 16-year-olds and EU citizens voting in election
Jeremy Corbyn says it is “only logical” that EU citizens are given the right to vote in this election as he announces the party will back amendments on that and giving 16-year-olds the vote.

The Labour leader confirmed his party would back the vote for the general election - but would also try and expand the electorate.

An estimated 2.4 million EU citizens live and work in the UK.



Nothing transparently self serving in that is there?
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Step 2:

Canvass the world's entire population for anyone who promises to vote for Labour and add them to the electoral roll.
 
Thats ok, call racism first then apologise.....

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SpurMeUp said:
Are traditional party lines blurred now? Personally I could make a case for voting for any of 4 parties.

  • Green - why not? We are heating up our planet and we're rich enough to do more about it. Greens would.
  • Lib Dems - you may have noticed I don't think brexit offers the UK anything positive. But I have a prejudice against them for be liberals.
  • Labour - I like the idea of shaking up our society. Of bringing back state utilities into public ownership. However, I would want these utilities run like private companies and simply pay back profits into the public purse. The issue with 'communism' is the government starts to put their oar in, and turn efficient companies into compromised state-run jokes. Costly and inefficient is sadly the way a lot of publicly owned companies were. I also like the premise of focusing on the social, and communities, not just profit.
  • Tory - we all have predisposed prejudices. Most carry the political stance of our parents and youth. In an emotive way, I don't think I could vote Conservative. But lower taxes, and a party which supports business would be in my interests (but do they anymore!?). I also quite like Cummings and Boris' superficial premise. They are prepared to shake tings up. The massive problem is they don’t have detailed plans and ability to deliver. It's all guff and no meat. Brexit is such a retrograde step. While Boris doesn't care either way - whether we have brexit or not - he is only in power because of it. So Brexit is his master. He is controlled by it, and by keeping the Brexit party suppressed. Not a good place to be.
How about you?
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I will wait and see on the manifestos but likely Tory primarily because they're the only party who will attempt to deliver Brexit and I'm not a fan of no deal and after that I'll likely retire from voting because it's pretty much pointless petty arguments and then not delivering on what people voted for.

I actually quite like the greens but can't stand Lucas, the Lib Dems don't really stand for anything and I really detest Jo Swinson, she irritates me every time I see an interview. Their policy of a 2nd referendum but not one for Scotland also makes no sense and the majority of them are hypocrites who wanted out of the EU over 10 years ago.
 
Rorschach said:
But a bunch of old fogys about to pop their clogs can change the direction of a country they won't be part of for much longer? I'd trust the kids more than the older generation at this stage considering the absolute fudge show we've made of things.
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My eldest is 15. Shes a good kid, and a smart kid, and she has absolutely no view of the world to be able to vote on the direction of a nation.

She simply doesnt. She is immature, at 15, and needs to live in the world a bit more before deciding how it should work.

Given the new rules, she wont even leave school until 18 at the earliest. So, to be honest, when she is able to vote then - I still dont think she'll be in any way qualified.
 
I’ve got 13 yo grandson who is the opposite!
My 36 year old daughter has on just showing an interest in anything political!
”different strokes for different folks”
 
StephenH said:
I’ve got 13 yo grandson who is the opposite!
My 36 year old daughter has on just showing an interest in anything political!
”different strokes for different folks”
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With respect mate, as smart or even politically minded your grandson might be - he is still 13 and so completely unqualified to make decisions on grown ups business.
 
StephenH said:
Why is 16 to young?
You can get married raise a family and pay tax, why not vote?
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The voting age should definitely be 16. But so should drinking, smoking, military service, compulsory education and driving.

The oddest things with our age laws is that people aren't allowed to watch porn for 2 (something 3-4) years after they've been partaking.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Are traditional party lines blurred now? Personally I could make a case for voting for any of 4 parties.

  • Green - why not? We are heating up our planet and we're rich enough to do more about it. Greens would.
  • Lib Dems - you may have noticed I don't think brexit offers the UK anything positive. But I have a prejudice against them for be liberals.
  • Labour - I like the idea of shaking up our society. Of bringing back state utilities into public ownership. However, I would want these utilities run like private companies and simply pay back profits into the public purse. The issue with 'communism' is the government starts to put their oar in, and turn efficient companies into compromised state-run jokes. Costly and inefficient is sadly the way a lot of publicly owned companies were. I also like the premise of focusing on the social, and communities, not just profit.
  • Tory - we all have predisposed prejudices. Most carry the political stance of our parents and youth. In an emotive way, I don't think I could vote Conservative. But lower taxes, and a party which supports business would be in my interests (but do they anymore!?). I also quite like Cummings and Boris' superficial premise. They are prepared to shake tings up. The massive problem is they don’t have detailed plans and ability to deliver. It's all guff and no meat. Brexit is such a retrograde step. While Boris doesn't care either way - whether we have brexit or not - he is only in power because of it. So Brexit is his master. He is controlled by it, and by keeping the Brexit party suppressed. Not a good place to be.
How about you?
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Mine is quite odd. In normal times I vote Green. But the current leadership are nutty remstremists (in contrast to 40 years pre-2016 of being a proudly eurosceptic movement).

I live in a Liberal seat that went Labour for the first time in 2017. It's very likely to go back Liberal again. As it's a pro-leave northern city, I think my best tactical vote will be Brexit party (rather than Tory)
 
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