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Lilbaz said:
Good timing though. Uk announces a trade deal. India bombs pakistan.
Pakistan says they will retaliate and even might use nukes.

Oh well.
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Pakistan will likely retaliate but not with nukes. Nukes still the ultimate deterant - if Putin isn't using them even after struggling to achieve his war aims after 3 years then Pakistan would have to be doubly insane to use them.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Interestingly that given Brexit and the need for trade deals that the India Trade deal has been weaponised by those that championed Brexit..........can't make that stuff up
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Who has "weaponised it"? Plus this idea that there is a "need for trade deals" is ridiculous. While it's insane the point Trump is actually trying to make with his tariffs is that trade policy can and sometimes should be utilised to protect national interests. Trade deals almost always mean you're giving something up in return for something else. It often involves benefitting certain sectors of your economy while damaging other (deemed less important) sectors, and whether they are a positive overall is to be determined. The Australian trade deal case in point. It's a conscious choice to undercut our own food production sector in the knowledge that our own sector is too small and isn't scalable to feed our increasingly growing population and therefore reducing prices for consumers for food imported from one of our largest produce import markets, while reducing barriers for our services sector to access Australian markets was deemed acceptable price to pay for taking a shot-gun to our farming sector.....
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Who has "weaponised it"? Plus this idea that there is a "need for trade deals" is ridiculous. While it's insane the point Trump is actually trying to make with his tariffs is that trade policy can and sometimes should be utilised to protect national interests. Trade deals almost always mean you're giving something up in return for something else. It often involves benefitting certain sectors of your economy while damaging other (deemed less important) sectors, and whether they are a positive overall is to be determined. The Australian trade deal case in point. It's a conscious choice to undercut our own food production sector in the knowledge that our own sector is too small and isn't scalable to feed our increasingly growing population and therefore reducing prices for consumers for food imported from one of our largest produce import markets, while reducing barriers for our services sector to access Australian markets was deemed acceptable price to pay for taking a shot-gun to our farming sector.....
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Brexit was sold on the premise it would open trade deals with the rest of the world.

Or its used as a tool to attract businesses and industry to the country, like many free trade zones globally or like Ireland with their European silicon valley hub. Also some of the worlds great talent comes form India and given the massive deficit in working numbers in the UK and the holes in certain sectors it can be a good thing. The undercutting the UK worker bluster is just that...........

Given whats been agreed in the lower tax brackets for import and exports I think on the face of it, it looks a decent deal especially a boost to some industries on exports that are being hit hard by the US tariffs.
 
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Grays_1890 said:
Brexit was sold on the premise it would open trade deals with the rest of the world.

Or its used as a tool to attract businesses and industry to the country, like many free trade zones globally or like Ireland with their European silicon valley hub. Also some of the worlds great talent comes form India and given the massive deficit in working numbers in the UK and the holes in certain sectors it can be a good thing. The undercutting the UK worker bluster is just that...........

Given whats been agreed in the lower tax brackets for import and exports I think on the face of it, it looks a decent deal especially a boost to some industries on exports that are being hit hard by the US tariffs.
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And it has opened trade deals with the rest of the world.

But trade deals are not a positive in and of themselves. A bad trade deal can be a negative. It's like any deal. Devil is in the detail.

Indian trade deal undoubtedly potentially a positive. We already do a huge amount of trade with India and we outsource a lot of low wage admin and call centre work for our services sector there too.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
And it has opened trade deals with the rest of the world.

But trade deals are not a positive in and of themselves. A bad trade deal can be a negative. It's like any deal. Devil is in the detail.

Indian trade deal undoubtedly potentially a positive. We already do a huge amount of trade with India and we outsource a lot of low wage admin and call centre work for our services sector there too.
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But looking at what that trade off seems to be, given what details have been printed and discussed today, the trade deal alone looks one that is seemingly fairly stacked in both directions.
 
Grays_1890 said:
But looking at what that trade off seems to be, given what details have been printed and discussed today, the trade deal alone looks one that is seemingly fairly stacked in both directions.
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Probably. I mean our trade with India is ripe for a "mutually beneficial" deal as we do not really compete economically with them in any meaningful way.

And this is the thing with "Brexit". Discussion of our relationship with the EU needs to acknowledge that our primary economic competitors are all EU member states and talk of need to "reset" relations is really about the EU trying to prevent the "Singapore on the Thames" model from ever coming to fruition. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"
 
I am disaffected enough with Labour that I have signed up to Green on a temp basis so I can go to some meetings and see what they are about.

Apart from a brief time under Corbyn when I was voting for who I wanted - I voted Labour for Milliband and Starmer but have never felt convinced.


I feel apprhensive about the Greens because I worry it will be forcing the enviroment in at every opportunity.

An important issue but one that I feel most inividuals do not have control over.

I'll see how it goes but if I wanted single issues rammed down my throat I would join Reform.
 
Craig_J said:
I am disaffected enough with Labour that I have signed up to Green on a temp basis so I can go to some meetings and see what they are about.

Apart from a brief time under Corbyn when I was voting for who I wanted - I voted Labour for Milliband and Starmer but have never felt convinced.


I feel apprhensive about the Greens because I worry it will be forcing the enviroment in at every opportunity.

An important issue but one that I feel most inividuals do not have control over.

I'll see how it goes but if I wanted single issues rammed down my throat I would join Reform.
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The wrong Milliband was their sliding door moment for me, convinced of it. Corbin was way too militant and Starmers been a right man right place guy.
 
Grays_1890 said:
The wrong Milliband was their sliding door moment for me, convinced of it. Corbin was way too militant and Starmers been a right man right place guy.
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Id actually say Ed Milliband is the standout politician in the country at the moment. The one who is really enacting some positive change. Id prefer him to succeed Starmer for the second term rather than Streeting
 
Grays_1890 said:
The wrong Milliband was their sliding door moment for me, convinced of it. Corbin was way too militant and Starmers been a right man right place guy.
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I was a little too young to pick up anything on David. Saw it on TV but don't know anything about him other than losing to Ed.

Corbyn isn't everyone's cup of tea. I get he is a bit to activisty to be elected. But I think it was a huge opporunity to elect someone who cared and had shown as much in decades on the backbench (rebelling against the whip, holding consistent views across decades and being quite reluctant to run for leadership)

I understood Starmer wasn't gonna be the guy who goes in and makes radical changes. For me he was just a bloke who wasn't a Tory and that was enough.

But he has achieved even less than I thought he would in 12 months. He hasn't introduced anything to help anyone and has actually made cuts.

Internationally he's done well but personally I think anyone with common sense and a decent heart would call Putin out, ally with Zelenksy.

I feel I voted for a Tory with a Rose banner.
 
Craig_J said:
I was a little too young to pick up anything on David. Saw it on TV but don't know anything about him other than losing to Ed.

Corbyn isn't everyone's cup of tea. I get he is a bit to activisty to be elected. But I think it was a huge opporunity to elect someone who cared and had shown as much in decades on the backbench (rebelling against the whip, holding consistent views across decades and being quite reluctant to run for leadership)

I understood Starmer wasn't gonna be the guy who goes in and makes radical changes. For me he was just a bloke who wasn't a Tory and that was enough.

But he has achieved even less than I thought he would in 12 months. He hasn't introduced anything to help anyone and has actually made cuts.

Internationally he's done well but personally I think anyone with common sense and a decent heart would call Putin out, ally with Zelenksy.

I feel I voted for a Tory with a Rose banner.
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In hindsight I think Corbyns a man of many people and a real socialist, I just don't think he had the smarts to pretend to be central to win the election to then do the leftist socialist thing after.
 
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