Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[scaramanga]

You want me to list out the things that don't incur VAT?

Guess what's top of the govt's list of things that don't incur VAT.......

Education.

tossers.

 

[Finney Is Back]

maybe consider them as people just like people consider you as a person. They aren't less than me or you. And at some point all of our ancestors had to migrate to survive.

I do consider them as people and I have compassion for people who are in terrible situations through no fault of their own. But that doesn't answer my question. What is our 'fair share' and with which countries do we share our 'fair share' responsibility with?

If we answer that question then we can start to work out the numbers and the finances required to ensure that an asylum system works.

We can then start to total up the number of people living in intolerant countries where there is not real respect for human rights and come up with the number of people that may want to take the opportunity to move to a country where human rights actually are respected and you have equal rights whether you are male, female, gay, straight, christian, muslim, hindu, jew, budhist, mormon, atheist or agnostic.

We can then work out how each of those countries that are going to do their 'fair share' of taking the load will cater for the (likely) tens of millions of people each will have to incorporate into their population. Then medium to long term planning can be shaped around how and where those countries will build the housing, the schools, the health provision, the other services and of course how to pay for all of that. If that medium to long term planning doesn't happen then it will never work as only sticky plasters will be applied instead of real structural change occurring and there will end up being resentment and likely worse.

Of course we also have to consider that people will continue being born in the intolerant countries where human rights aren't respected, with those countries perhaps becoming even more intolerant when the people who are more tolerant leave and therefore the provision the tolerant 'fair share' countries must make will have to continue to increase.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Yes lots of people live in poor countries. We are talking about asylum seekers and refugees, some of which the UK has had a hand in causing. That is a shocking post.

I don't think it is about people living in 'poor' countries at all. I think it is about people living in countries where there is no respect for human rights. You say my post is shocking but you haven't attempted to answer the question I posted in it. What is a 'fair share' and with which other countries does the UK share that 'fair share' with?

Does taking on "whatever unit of measurement a fair share is" each month/year/decade improve the situation in the illiberal countries the people are escaping from? What is your proposed long term solution?

 

[Finney Is Back]

Breathtaking.

Thanks. But, again, what is a 'fair share'? and which countries does the UK share that 'fair share' number with?