Lemonade Money
Steffen Freund
Wait, you actually read that brick?
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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Wycombe Wanderers ***
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Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
2CV and Onomah have looked confortable in Europe already. The rough and tumble of lower league prepares players for nothing other than the rough and tumble of playing lower league teams. Better that they learn how to play against top flight players from our coaching staff and working alongside Alder and Dembele etc.
Glenda's Legs
Les Ferdinand
Bedfordspurs
Arthur Rowe
How many game has 2CV played for the first team?? 2 and none in Europe
And Onomah doesnt look comfortable in a Spurs shirt full stop
I don't disagree with the context of what your saying but I can agree with your opinion on the players
Daisuk
Les Medley
I have to say though, even though we almost embarassed ourselves yesterday - what a classic of a cup match! And a what a performance by Wycombe. Hats off to them for the effort they put in. One of the reasons why we shouldn't disregard the FA Cup, it spawns classic matches like this still, and somehow just sort of distills football down to exactly why it's so good to watch and play in the first place. You can have a self confident high flying top division team almost crash out of the cup at the hands of a pub team with weekend footballers due to the Goliath of the clash no doubt underestimating the David.
To the FA Cup! A great and proud competition, very nice to get a reminder yesterday just why it is. I hope we learned our lesson yesterday and go on to win it now!
To the FA Cup! A great and proud competition, very nice to get a reminder yesterday just why it is. I hope we learned our lesson yesterday and go on to win it now!
glasgowspur
Nayim
Just watched motd highlights, 3 things
1, CCV was never a pen
2 son seems to miss the easy ones and score the difficult ones
3 the Wycombe manager can give his little brother his jacket back.
1, CCV was never a pen
2 son seems to miss the easy ones and score the difficult ones
3 the Wycombe manager can give his little brother his jacket back.
The penalty was stonewall. He never touched the ball.
90291Spur
Paul Walsh
And the farcical mistakes that lead up to it were a... a... a... my favourite buttplug.
Kandi1977
Terry Dyson
Soft. Very soft, but would be a FK everywhere else, so no complaints.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
Wow. What a game. *What* comebacks (twice) - okay, they were against Wycombe, but it still counts under the lights at the Lane.
The fighting spirit finally came into the side once the second half got properly going, and bar Trippier's injury I think we would have won it earlier - there are evidently serious concerns about our back line in the absence of our regulars, and I disliked the aimless way we sent balls forward at times (even late on - one such careless punt forward led to Wycombe's third). Credit to Wycombe for showing up with a coherent plan and executing it well against an exceedingly shaky back line, but we made our own problems today.
Still, we're into the fifth round, which is what counts. Then go into the sixth, then the semi at our future home ground, then the final. That should be our aim, our ambition. To win this trophy, to lift silverware, to achieve the dreams of every fan and the end goal of any sporting outfit - to win, and win well.
To prefer eternally finishing fourth in a 20 team league or 3rd in a 2-horse race over winning a trophy in this manner is something I will thankfully never have to endure - and I can't understand why people would prefer such a thing to the extent of scorning the cup as they did today. A cup which has provided 8 of the happiest occasions in our history, which we built our identity and our mythos around in the golden days of yore - this is what people were scorning and sneering at today throughout the game, going as far as to suggest own goals and deliberate capitulation to go out, under the lights at the Lane in its final season....to Wycombe f*cking Wanderers.
Have a word with yourself.
As you know i agree with your opinion that we should actually try and win something, we can not be called a top team UNTILL we actually start winning trophys. At the game yesterday a lot of fans were saying that some of our players are not good enough and until we uprate our squad we will always struggle in these games, i have noticed there are those on here who are saying ( in some of the players threads) more or less the same thing.
There is nothing wrong with most of our back up players and to say ( like some do that they are not good enough) is foolish at best and ignorant at worst. The problem is not the individual players its the fact that we made 9 changes once again, it no surprise that as a team we fail to have structure, understanding and cohesion. Playing with two three four changes is a lot easier for us ( and understandable on occasions) but once again we struggled with so many in one game.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
As i said in my earlier post i do not think our second string players are that poor, the problem is when you throw 9 of them into the team in one go.
I do agree with your other point about winning silverware, even the players think that is the next step.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
Word.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
tickle my balls with a feather.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
No it doesn't.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, the problem is throwing them into a 9 changes team and expecting them to gell like the first team.
Wrong imo. Better that they learn that as they play in England that occasionally you will play a lower league side and you have to adapt your game to compete and don't go out with a complacent attitude because you happen to be playing for a top PL club. Such an elitist and damaging attitude to take. Wycombe were anything but just pure rough and tumble yesterday. And I have no idea where you can suggest Onomah and CCV have looked comfortable in Europe? How many games have those played in Europe for us? I can only remember a couple of occasions for Onomah and one of them was a very poor performance in Dortmund albeit the team was poor too.
It isn't a one size fits all process. For some players, like Winks, a loan isn't beneficial because in his limited game time here we have seen enough to suggest that he can float in and around the matchday squad. For someone like Onomah, he could do with being thrown in at the deep end but not our deep end.
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Bullet
Luka Modric
Son did lots of good little things yesterday, then blazed high, wide and handsome. Ironically his first goal was a cross that deflected wildly in and his second goal was a weak shot that was going 2 yards wide, kicked in by a defender. It just shows that sometimes you don't need to be Pele, you don't need to strike the ball like Hotshot Hamish, you just need to get 3 or 4 players around the 6 yard box and penalty spot and keep punting away and eventually it will go in.
Fair play to Wycombe, I thought they came and performed very well overall and totally deserved at least a replay. Delighted to scrape through into the 5th round where even if we play a 'lesser' side I would like to see the changes limited.
9 changes is too much and badly affects the continuity of the side imo. For me I think 4-5 changes with 3-4 younger options on the bench to come on for the experienced heads once the game is under control is a better bet. In fairness to Poch, the backline we would normally put out is injured bar Walker and you would always play Vorm so that is 4 changes already without the right back.
9 changes is too much and badly affects the continuity of the side imo. For me I think 4-5 changes with 3-4 younger options on the bench to come on for the experienced heads once the game is under control is a better bet. In fairness to Poch, the backline we would normally put out is injured bar Walker and you would always play Vorm so that is 4 changes already without the right back.
Robspur12
John Lacy
I think it is a tad unrealistic to expect so called fringe players to come into the team after having not played regular competitive matches and perform brilliantly. It was especially difficult because Wycombe wanted to make up the gulf in quality and fitness by kicking and fouling us at every opportunity in the second half.
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
Very good post from another site and to the point imv.
Watching the match again, just to make certain of the first observations.
This match was less about poor individual player ratings, and much more about players who are simply inexperienced with playing with each other. Carter-Vickers and Wimmer in the middle was a huge ask. Spurs are far less quality without Alderweireld in the middle. It’s asking Vorm, Carter-Vickers, and Wimmer to assign marks and coverage in the stead of Alderweireld and Lloris. Not going to happen.
Carter-Vickers will grow into a solid, solid player for Spurs. He has a good build, he is good in the air, he has an excellent tackle, he has good 1v1 instincts, and he has a good eye for a long threaded pass forward into instant offensive opportunity.
The weak spot was Wimmer. Wimmer gets caught ball-watching both on breakaways, and on free kicks. During what became the first goal from the corner, Wimmer not only marks absolutely no one, he also gets into the back of Carter-Vickers to where Carter-Vickers struggles to get back to the unmarked scorer at all. All of that should have been ironed out before the corner took place.
Eric Dier and Harry Winks were consistently disconnected from the front four. They simply did not coordinate between themselves as to who covers deep, and who offers an outlet and a connection. Both are quality players. They just have no time together. Sissoko had to sacrifice position to drop in for an outlet time after time, which led two inexperienced players and a non-defensive Sonny to take on 4 or 5 players behind the ball.
Speaking of Sissoko, he played fine. His first touch lets him down a lot. However, he constantly lifts his head, and looks for a neat little pass between the seams. Spurs need that. No, he does not currently justify 30 million. However, I am mystified by why Spurs supporters pay a lot of attention to that in the first place. A player will either eventually fit, or he will not. I think Sissoko will.
I agree with several contributors about Onomah. He can play fine with other stronger players around him. However, he really shows no signs yet of being able to grow into an impact player. He is still young. I don’t think he hurts a lineup, but I also don’t think he strengthens one yet.
Nkoudou has some tools. He plays in a completely undisciplined fashion. He has pace, he has some 1v1 ability, and he absolutely hates losing the ball, and is a pain in the opposition’s butt in trying to get it back. A player like this is a project. He does show signs of making an impact, but it will be a while.
Sonny fits in at a more forward position as a backup player. He has no defensive instinct, and that hurts a team as a starter in Midfield. Love his two-footed ability, love his attitude, and absolutely love his putting his teammates first all the time.
Janssen came in and made an impact. His bullish holding ability drew two or three Defenders quite a few times. It gave the other players around him fewer defenders through which to find a hole.
Dele Alli has truly become undroppable. He takes a few breaks mid-game which can be absolutely maddening. However, if that is what he needs to do, then that is what he needs to do. He certainly brings his game the rest of the time, and what an impact game that is.
Love Tripps and Davies. Hard working professionals, no complaints for time, and great team value. Tripps brings fantastic offensive tools, and Davies brings a tremendously useful versatility.
Some of these boys need to be slipped in one at a time with the first team versus lower table PL oppo to get more experience in. Then work then a few at a time as they become good enough. Poch took a huge punt in playing them all at once, and really should not have expected much differently than what he saw first half. That is the way all of them at once will look until they have more time together. Again, that Central defensive alignment was a huge task.
COYS
Watching the match again, just to make certain of the first observations.
This match was less about poor individual player ratings, and much more about players who are simply inexperienced with playing with each other. Carter-Vickers and Wimmer in the middle was a huge ask. Spurs are far less quality without Alderweireld in the middle. It’s asking Vorm, Carter-Vickers, and Wimmer to assign marks and coverage in the stead of Alderweireld and Lloris. Not going to happen.
Carter-Vickers will grow into a solid, solid player for Spurs. He has a good build, he is good in the air, he has an excellent tackle, he has good 1v1 instincts, and he has a good eye for a long threaded pass forward into instant offensive opportunity.
The weak spot was Wimmer. Wimmer gets caught ball-watching both on breakaways, and on free kicks. During what became the first goal from the corner, Wimmer not only marks absolutely no one, he also gets into the back of Carter-Vickers to where Carter-Vickers struggles to get back to the unmarked scorer at all. All of that should have been ironed out before the corner took place.
Eric Dier and Harry Winks were consistently disconnected from the front four. They simply did not coordinate between themselves as to who covers deep, and who offers an outlet and a connection. Both are quality players. They just have no time together. Sissoko had to sacrifice position to drop in for an outlet time after time, which led two inexperienced players and a non-defensive Sonny to take on 4 or 5 players behind the ball.
Speaking of Sissoko, he played fine. His first touch lets him down a lot. However, he constantly lifts his head, and looks for a neat little pass between the seams. Spurs need that. No, he does not currently justify 30 million. However, I am mystified by why Spurs supporters pay a lot of attention to that in the first place. A player will either eventually fit, or he will not. I think Sissoko will.
I agree with several contributors about Onomah. He can play fine with other stronger players around him. However, he really shows no signs yet of being able to grow into an impact player. He is still young. I don’t think he hurts a lineup, but I also don’t think he strengthens one yet.
Nkoudou has some tools. He plays in a completely undisciplined fashion. He has pace, he has some 1v1 ability, and he absolutely hates losing the ball, and is a pain in the opposition’s butt in trying to get it back. A player like this is a project. He does show signs of making an impact, but it will be a while.
Sonny fits in at a more forward position as a backup player. He has no defensive instinct, and that hurts a team as a starter in Midfield. Love his two-footed ability, love his attitude, and absolutely love his putting his teammates first all the time.
Janssen came in and made an impact. His bullish holding ability drew two or three Defenders quite a few times. It gave the other players around him fewer defenders through which to find a hole.
Dele Alli has truly become undroppable. He takes a few breaks mid-game which can be absolutely maddening. However, if that is what he needs to do, then that is what he needs to do. He certainly brings his game the rest of the time, and what an impact game that is.
Love Tripps and Davies. Hard working professionals, no complaints for time, and great team value. Tripps brings fantastic offensive tools, and Davies brings a tremendously useful versatility.
Some of these boys need to be slipped in one at a time with the first team versus lower table PL oppo to get more experience in. Then work then a few at a time as they become good enough. Poch took a huge punt in playing them all at once, and really should not have expected much differently than what he saw first half. That is the way all of them at once will look until they have more time together. Again, that Central defensive alignment was a huge task.
COYS