Micky van de Ven

[Yiddo]

The team is in this situation due to himself and many other not putting in good enough performances and having the wrong attitude. If he is suffering mentally because of this then i'm afraid he hasn't got the mentality to be an elite player and should not be anywhere near the first team.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

I’m not trying to claim that he’s playing well. He’s not. It’s the people assuming he’s not trying, he doesn’t care or he thinks he’s too good for a relegation scrap that tinkle me off. None of us know what is going through hi head but this is the lad who we adored, by and large, for two years.

He’s clearly struggling and needs to be supported not turned on by his own fans.

Equally he has shown a lack of leadership and character, that all feeds into noise, rightly or wrongly.

Ultimately he has had a poor season as a senior player and we are in serious relagation trouble, thats why in the whole he is one thats coming under firm criticism

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I’m not trying to claim that he’s playing well. He’s not. It’s the people assuming he’s not trying, he doesn’t care or he thinks he’s too good for a relegation scrap that tinkle me off. None of us know what is going through his head but this is the lad who we adored, by and large, for two years.

He’s clearly struggling and needs to be supported not turned on by his own fans.

I think every player is trying
I also think some are struggling with the basics
It’s fair to say Micky is one of those imo
Normally when that happens it can take some time to snap out of it
I do believe he has had some people telling him how great he is outside of the club (I don’t think any of this seasons managers work like that) and he hasn’t addressed the flaws in his game (reading the game and heading a ball)
But I don’t think he is sabotaging us or downing tools. I think he is lost a bit
Recent when Jan when through this under Sherwood IIRC
You don’t lose ability

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Equally he has shown a lack of leadership and character, that all feeds into noise, rightly or wrongly.

Ultimately he has had a poor season as a senior player and we are in serious relationship trouble, thats why in the whole he is one thats coming under firm criticism

Scary thing is he is a senior player yet is relatively inexperienced

 

[totalspurs]

IMO when a team is a a proper downward spiraling rut, that's where the manager earns his corn. The players will try and do anything and anything but nothing seems to work, because they are are really stuck. It's not for the want of trying, it's just never going to change. No matter what they do.

The hardest part is just stopping the downwards spiral, before even thinking about reversing it.
Unfortunately we haven't had that stability in management to do that. Frank inherited the beginning of it, but clearly lacks the know how of how to stop it. That's why I think Ang and the EL win might have been able to at least do that much, as there would have been a level of stability.
The only other opinion would have been to get a truly experienced manager at the beginning of the new season who could have dealt with reversing the rut.
It's not really about the players mentality, it's about leadership in Management. And we keep getting that fundamentally wrong again and again.
Tudor to his credit is supposed to be renowned for that specifically, so hopefully it works out and he can stop dive enough to secure our place in the Prem.
If TF came to the club were we were in a relatively good place, I'm sure he would have done well, but the board are stupid and vastly inexperienced to read where we actually were at the time, and appointed the wrong type of manager that was needed.
I don't think don't think most of the players have the wrong mentality, I just don't think they know how they should get out of this down spiral, none of them have probably ever experienced anything like it before in their careers.