MartyFunkhouser
Vic Buckingham
That doesn't make him a d1ck
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Luka Vuskovic
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Unprofessional? deluded? pick your choice.
Lets be clear, he has a ton of promise but many (list is endless) 19 year olds with promise turned out to be nothing special in the end. Clubs will take notice of the behaviour of him and agent, and it isn't going to help him (sure, some may ignore, consider it part of price of player).
And the fact that Brighton is the one willing to spend should tell him that .. it isn't Barca/Bayern saying "we know he is ready for this level"
MartyFunkhouser
Vic Buckingham
Wanting to play football and finding a route to that. We have had pages of people say that lies away from the club, some saying he isnt good enough, now the player dare believe one part of that and people make up a rhetoric to hammer the lad.
This is like the pile on with Spence at the start here about so called attitude issues
Gazza
Chris Perry
Be the bigger entity, get the maximum deal out of him. He is not the be all and end all of defenders. Get the money, get the sell on clause. Thanks.
Ide
This situation happens all the time in Europe with no fuss. High profile team buys promising player but position already filled by established regulars. Solution: Sell player to a middling team who can give regular game time but include a mandatory buy back clause at a pre-set price that comes into play one or two seasons later. Example: Nico Paz at Como....
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Why a sell-on clause??
This situation happens all the time in Europe with no fuss. High profile team buys promising player but position already filled by established regulars. Solution: Sell player to a middling team who can give regular game time but include a mandatory buy back clause at a pre-set price that comes into play one or two seasons later. Example: Nico Paz at Como....
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MartyFunkhouser
Vic Buckingham
A really good point and absolutely correct
I find the position some are taking, to sell them to improve, but also have a pop at them too, really odd
Bishop
Paul Walsh
We just brought in 2 further CBs to play ahead of him and supposedly want to send him out in loan at the very least. He's hardly being a dingdong or being unprofessional to decide to go somewhere that rates him right now more than we do.
I don't even buy the hype of him, but I don't see any issue with him making a move that he feels is best for his career and I certainly don't see that as unprofessional.
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The window is open a week, he isn't even at the club, the only offer that we are aware of is from Brighton (again, not Barca, and someone of a level I'd assume we can get an equivalent level loan for him from).
I don't believe in player loyalty because clubs will do what suits them, and yes, he should look out for his own interest, but he is making a lot of noise very early from not what I would consider a position of strength, no point arguing nuance of how professional/unprofessional it is, but it's hardly a good look for either party.
MartyFunkhouser
Vic Buckingham
Someone always has to be the villain of the piece on here
Bishop
Paul Walsh
I don't think it matters whether it's Barcelona, Brighton or Burnley, he's has seemingly decided that he wants to go somewhere that he thinks is more conducive to his career and it makes sense from his perspective. We just signed 2 more CBs to play in front of him, we clearly we don't rate him right now as a serious first team option. He doesn't owe the club anything any more than the club owes him something. A players employment at a club is mutually beneficial if he now feels that isn't the case at Spurs so be it. He's entitled to want to go somewhere else permanently and not on loan if he thinks that's best for him and we are entitled to try and get the best fee for him or to try and convince him otherwise.
Time will tell if he's right or not, but that doesn't mean he's being unprofessional, he's just being realistic.
It's not about being a villain mate ..
I get his perspective, and have no disagreement with @Bishop point, I do think it's small caveats
- There is a difference between Brighton and Barca, one is the kind of opportunity you get once in a career, the other (if he's quarter as good as he thinks) comes along every season.
- A lot of what has been said in papers could have been said quietely.
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
John Lacy
Ok? I’m absolutely fine not calling him a dingdong. He’s doing what he feels needs to be done to get him the money and the playing time he wants. But I don’t think we, as Spurs fans, need to be all understanding about that. He’s literally doing us down to further his own ends.
If we didn’t offer to give him more money, I’d say his quotes are absolutely bang on. But if we did, he’s insinuating we wouldn’t want a player like him, and how silly we must be for that. When the reality is we absolutely would want him (we signed him at 16 after all) but we probably want more of a commitment than he’s willing to give. He just doesn’t paint that nuanced a picture in his quotes and neither does his team in their briefings.
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
John Lacy
If he wants to play football, he can take a loan for a year, prove himself in the PL. and then come back to us. No issue there.
Equally, if he wants to bet on himself and leave the safety of being attached to Tottenham, and join Brighton, I don’t have an issue with that too. More power to him.
He’ll likely be fine either way. I think there’s a tendency though for people to just not believe or see what is happening in the press. Or the assumption that it’s all gonads. I don’t think it is, because agents absolutely use the press to put pressure on clubs and it’s not beyond the players themselves too.
He clearly thinks he’s destined for the top. He clearly doesn’t think he needs us. All of that is absolutely fine. But I have a specific problem with complaining publicly that we don’t want him. He’s painting himself out as hard done by to make us look worse, to hasten a permanent move out of the club. I’m not sure exactly what the club has done to deserve that treatment from a 19 year old.
I think the reality is he developed quicker than anyone probably expected last season. So he feels like he can accelerate his own timeline. At the same time, we want more experience. So the club and the player’s interests start to diverge. If he takes a loan, it doesn’t necessarily come with an increase in wages unless the contract gets lengthened (this is very common when you see players loaned out). If he takes a permanent move, he likely 3-4xs his salary, possibly more.
With all of that considered, I don’t begrudge him on ANY of it. I totally get it. I do have an issue with him and his team talking down the club to paint himself as hard done by publically, when he’s a 19 year old with zero PL experience. Especially when part of the impasse is very likely that HE won’t take a longer contract. Just as I didn’t like when Kane went public to force a move, or when Modric sounded off to The Sun about Levy denying him being able to ‘follow his dream’ to join CHELSEA. These are the low tactics of agents and players that weight their own self interest far higher than that of the club. And again, I get why they do it. But as a Spurs fan, I’m always going to support Spurs. Because plenty of players get moves without resorting to the lowest of PR tactics to get them.
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
John Lacy
Put it this way, Bergval wants a move and I have no issue. It makes total sense. We’re looking at more experienced players, and he joined us thinking he was going to get more game time.
With both players it’s a consequence of moving Levy out and having a new leadership group that is willing to pay the wages to invest in more proven players. I don’t begrudge them at all in looking for more football.
If Bergval starts bleating off in the press, I’ll be more annoyed. Something tells me he won’t though. My issue with Vuskovic is that he has never once seemingly even given the platitude of ‘I’m on loan right now but I’m looking forward to showing Tottenham what I can do and fighting for a place when the loan is over’. It’s always been about wanting to be somewhere else.
With both players it’s a consequence of moving Levy out and having a new leadership group that is willing to pay the wages to invest in more proven players. I don’t begrudge them at all in looking for more football.
If Bergval starts bleating off in the press, I’ll be more annoyed. Something tells me he won’t though. My issue with Vuskovic is that he has never once seemingly even given the platitude of ‘I’m on loan right now but I’m looking forward to showing Tottenham what I can do and fighting for a place when the loan is over’. It’s always been about wanting to be somewhere else.