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Igor the Interim

Bishop said:
I'm more so referring to the earlier part of the season when we picked up more points. At some point that changed. Frank was far from perfect but I think we might have picked up a couple more points than we have since he was removed.

We were also looking a little better and more cohesive just at the point when he was sacked. The results weren't going our way but you could see some improved performances. I do think the Odobert Injury is what finally killed him off.
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I'm not convinced tbf. But what I will say is if those running things master plan when sacking Frank was Igor Tudor, and following that up with Ryan Mason or whoever the pitiful options seem to be then they might aswell of stuck with Frank. I'm pretty sure everyone assumed we would have something better lined up than what has been presented....
 
harr1984 said:
I'm not convinced tbf. But what I will say is if those running things master plan when sacking Frank was Igor Tudor, and following that up with Ryan Mason or whoever the pitiful options seem to be then they might aswell of stuck with Frank. I'm pretty sure everyone assumed we would have something better lined up than what has been presented....
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Well think of it this way,when we sacked Ange did we have plans? Was the plan Frank? I didn't mind Frank as a candidate but he hardly screams that we were planning to push things to the next level. So truthfully I doubt we ever really have plans, or at least well thought out ones.
 
Robspur12 said:
The thing is I'm not a board room executive but could see pretty quickly that Igor was absolutely wrong for the job. I was concerned with how open and disjointed we were vs Arsenal, a team which despite their position in the table struggle to carve out chances from open play. Yet they were carving us open at will. Same with Fulham who are decent but not world beating. The 2 goals we conceded there flattered us. There could have been more. Palace was another brick show with 3 goals conceded. There is no basic organisation in place. We struggle to create goal scoring chances and the players look either bewildered or just plain p1ssed off. There is nothing good about this appointment. So how the hell is surviving today is beyond me. I have lost confidence in Vinai Lange and whoever else is involved in this debacle.
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You're right mate and you called it strongly after the Fulham game. I was inclined to give him Palace.

I was at the Woolwich game. First half, you could see Muani and Xavi within 3 yards of each other and Woolwich played the ball across the back. The pair of them stopped and started not knowing who should press. It happened in the left back area too at one point.

I gave the benefit of the doubt but the least a coach should be doing, even in 4-5 days, is getting the team organised so everyone knows their job. That wasn't the case v Woolwich and with the space Fulham were finding in midfield and even in our box at times, it didn't look to be the case there either.

The minimum you expect from an interim coach is to get us organised quickly. It's what the likes of Dyche and Allardyce are famed for. Even Carrick set out a way for United to play and line up. This fella has done none of that. I sympathise with the hand he's been dealt but he's played it very badly.
 
harr1984 said:
I'm not convinced tbf. But what I will say is if those running things master plan when sacking Frank was Igor Tudor, and following that up with Ryan Mason or whoever the pitiful options seem to be then they might aswell of stuck with Frank. I'm pretty sure everyone assumed we would have something better lined up than what has been presented....
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....not defending them BUT as I said in the other thread....who da fudge is there out there ready to roll.

No-one on here has been coming up with good candidates (notice I said good, not great)
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
....not defending them BUT as I said in the other thread....who da fudge is there out there ready to roll.

No-one on here has been coming up with good candidates (notice I said good, not great)
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I think some being suggested are a better option than Tudor, I would still even taken the likes of Dyche as someone more likely to get us over the line than him.

And also the reason why I say they might aswell have kept Frank until the end of the season if Tudor was the alternative. But I appreciate it's a lot easier for me to say this not being involved in making the decisions....
 
DeanoAustin said:
You're right mate and you called it strongly after the Fulham game. I was inclined to give him Palace.

I was at the Woolwich game. First half, you could see Muani and Xavi within 3 yards of each other and Woolwich played the ball across the back. The pair of them stopped and started not knowing who should press. It happened in the left back area too at one point.

I gave the benefit of the doubt but the least a coach should be doing, even in 4-5 days, is getting the team organised so everyone knows their job. That wasn't the case v Woolwich and with the space Fulham were finding in midfield and even in our box at times, it didn't look to be the case there either.

The minimum you expect from an interim coach is to get us organised quickly. It's what the likes of Dyche and Allardyce are famed for. Even Carrick set out a way for United to play and line up. This fella has done none of that. I sympathise with the hand he's been dealt but he's played it very badly.
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You could see it last night too. Even with 10 men behind the ball in a low-block, we still struggled to put any pressure on the ball with indecisiveness all over the pitch. When one of our players did make try to press, they were passed around with ease as nobody was picking up the second or third man.

As much as I railed against it a few months back under TF, I really think we need to resort to the basic 4-2-3-1 where everyone knows their roles and responsibilities. We don’t need anyone second-guessing themselves but playing with the natural instinct which got them to this level in the first place.
 
Bishop said:
The system didn't lack creativity, the players we have available lack it. It doesn't matter who you put in charge, the inability to pass through the lines is here to stay because we are stick with shufflers and safe passers. Our best and most progressive passer is a fudging CB! I said this months ago on here but when your CB is your best passer and is so by quite some distance the you know you have a seriously unbalanced squad.

What a ridiculous situation to be especially when you think of the money spent to acquire such a middling bunch.
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The system did lack creativity. Frank didn't want anything going through the midfield and was only interested in getting the ball out wide and pumping crosses in. You just need to look at how Bentancurs forward passes dropped off a cliff under Frank to see that they were instructed to play it safe.
That's not saying we have the best passers in the world, we don't. But Frank could've made better use of what he had.
 
DubSpur said:
The system did lack creativity. Frank didn't want anything going through the midfield and was only interested in getting the ball out wide and pumping crosses in. You just need to look at how Bentancurs forward passes dropped off a cliff under Frank to see that they were instructed to play it safe.
That's not saying we have the best passers in the world, we don't. But Frank could've made better use of what he had.
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Bentancur is not creative, yes he played more forward passes under Ange but please don't call him a creative player. Before his injury it could be argued although I would have said he was a very all rounder rather than truly being a creative player.

If we had actual creative CMs then the system Frank employed would have seen them make the type of passes we were lacking. It was not a system issue, it's a player attribute issue. We have no one worth mentioning when it comes to quality of passes, quality of vision or quality of execution.
 
johnola said:
counterpoint: He gave Kinsky a chance, he was wrong, but he corrected it immediately.

Let’s stop throwing people under the bus.
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I know he’s not an academy player but it’s a word of warning that the call to “just play the kids” is naive at best and potentially damaging to the confidence of those young players being thrown in at the deep end if/when it goes wrong.
 
Bishop said:
Bentancur is not creative, yes he played more forward passes under Ange but please don't call him a creative player. Before his injury it could be argued although I would have said he was a very all rounder rather than truly being a creative player.

If we had actual creative CMs then the system Frank employed would have seen them make the type of passes we were lacking. It was not a system issue, it's a player attribute issue. We have no one worth mentioning when it comes to quality of passes, quality of vision or quality of execution.
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The stats showed that we had played the same amount of through balls under Frank as we did last season

Says it all to me
 
You can’t polish a turd … but we are at the point where you couldn’t fry a turd and make a sausage.

I have never been so dejected as a spurs fan.

We are going down quicker than Monica Lewisnksi at the White House.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I'm with you. There is no hope Tudor pulls us out of this mess. It's plain to see for anyone looking on. He isn't going to end the season with us - absolutely no chance. So you make the decision now. Not wait until we've got bummed at Anfield and are down to 8 games.

The only thing on our side right now is time but even that is running out.

fudging clown college is all it is.
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Clown College...you can't eat that!
 
Bishop said:
Bentancur is not creative, yes he played more forward passes under Ange but please don't call him a creative player. Before his injury it could be argued although I would have said he was a very all rounder rather than truly being a creative player.

If we had actual creative CMs then the system Frank employed would have seen them make the type of passes we were lacking. It was not a system issue, it's a player attribute issue. We have no one worth mentioning when it comes to quality of passes, quality of vision or quality of execution.
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He's an example of the difference of aims in the passing. Under Ange get it forward, under Frank safety first leading to a lack of creativity.
 
fudge off, Igor, you’re clearly not the guy. The treatment of Kinsky yesterday was shameful. A guy like that is not going to be able to motivate this group completely devoid of confidence.
 
For me personally, the fact Igor Tudor is still employed as Interim Manager at this moment in time, is a Deriliction of Duty by the Tottenham Board.

I very much doubt it is the case, but I can only hope/wish, they have their replacement lined up for Monday morning and are thinking Anfield is a write-off and we are not winning whoever is winning so they might as well hang himself with a 5th defeat
 
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