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Igor the Interim

BrentwoodSpur said:
I don’t do conspiracy theories, but if he’s in the seat come Liverpool there has to be an agenda. This just doesn’t make sense sense
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I wouldnt go that far, there are at least two potential reasons:

1) Last nights' performance wasn't actually that bad, certainly an improvement on previous (taking out the obvious individual fudge ups) and they are prepared to see if they build on that at Liverpool albeit unlikely

2) Would prefer new managers opening game not to be Liverpool away, and give the new setup a chance of building some momentum rather than start with what is an almost guaranteed loss

Whether that's right or wrong can be debated, but always thought a change more likely after Liverpool game.....
 
DeanoAustin said:
Apparently it’s being reported that the club have said he’ll take Friday’s press conference for Liverpool.

I’m lost for words. If Levy was in charge, Tudor would still be on the side of a road in Madrid thumbing a way to the airport.
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FFS bunch of clowns running the club
 
harr1984 said:
I wouldnt go that far, there are at least two potential reasons:

1) Last nights' performance wasn't actually that bad, certainly an improvement on previous (taking out the obvious individual fudge ups) and they are prepared to see if they build on that at Liverpool albeit unlikely

2) Would prefer new managers opening game not to be Liverpool away, and give the new setup a chance of building some momentum rather than start with what is an almost guaranteed loss

Whether that's right or wrong can be debated, but always thought a change more likely after Liverpool game.....
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I agree with no.1 with the caveat that our CL performances have been the highlight all season.
 
harr1984 said:
I wouldnt go that far, there are at least two potential reasons:

1) Last nights' performance wasn't actually that bad, certainly an improvement on previous (taking out the obvious individual fudge ups) and they are prepared to see if they build on that at Liverpool albeit unlikely

2) Would prefer new managers opening game not to be Liverpool away, and give the new setup a chance of building some momentum rather than start with what is an almost guaranteed loss

Whether that's right or wrong can be debated, but always thought a change more likely after Liverpool game.....
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3) It's a job no-one wants.

I reckon if Tudor had known before he agreed to take it what he knows now, he'd have run a bleedin' mile.
 
harr1984 said:
I wouldnt go that far, there are at least two potential reasons:

1) Last nights' performance wasn't actually that bad, certainly an improvement on previous (taking out the obvious individual fudge ups) and they are prepared to see if they build on that at Liverpool albeit unlikely

2) Would prefer new managers opening game not to be Liverpool away, and give the new setup a chance of building some momentum rather than start with what is an almost guaranteed loss

Whether that's right or wrong can be debated, but always thought a change more likely after Liverpool game.....
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We can’t afford to be thinking the Liverpool game is a write-off. Every chance to scrape a point is vital.
 
Mikey10 said:
We can’t afford to be thinking the Liverpool game is a write-off. Every chance to scrape a point is vital.
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Yeah, I'm just putting out reasons why they might believe right to hold off the inevitable.

Frank was a dead man walking for a good while before they pulled the trigger, so I'm not inspired to think they are going to do anything beyond delay the inevitable yet again....
 
Mikey10 said:
The fact he is still in situ says everything about where we are as a club. There is zero leadership anywhere at our club - not in the boardroom, not in the dugout, not on the pitch.

I'm fuming today! :tired:
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I'm with you. There is no hope Tudor pulls us out of this mess. It's plain to see for anyone looking on. He isn't going to end the season with us - absolutely no chance. So you make the decision now. Not wait until we've got bummed at Anfield and are down to 8 games.

The only thing on our side right now is time but even that is running out.

fudging clown college is all it is.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Apparently it’s being reported that the club have said he’ll take Friday’s press conference for Liverpool.

I’m lost for words. If Levy was in charge, Tudor would still be on the side of a road in Madrid thumbing a way to the airport.
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I wanted to give them a chance but those in charge are simply numpties. The business is first and foremost football and they are failing spectacularly to deliver that.
 
Gutter Boy said:
The problem is our strengths are having half a team of industrious CMs who can't pass. I'm not sure how you shape that into anything.
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This is the crux of the problem. We don't have quality. So we need to find another means of playing. Frank did have one but it didn't go down well with the fans.
 
Mikey10 said:
The fact he is still in situ says everything about where we are as a club. There is zero leadership anywhere at our club - not in the boardroom, not in the dugout, not on the pitch.

I'm fuming today! :tired:
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Reminds me of amateur FX traders - Buy/Sell and price goes the other way, rather than closing the position for a small loss and accepting they called it wrong they leave the trade running thinking it must turn in their favour soon.

Instead price continues to move against them and they keep going further and further into drawdown until it blows their account.....
 
DubSpur said:
There have always been patterns in systems in football. Some come into and go out of fashion depending on what way the most successful teams of the moment are playing. What has changed is managers wanting players to stick to those patterns and less individualism in the game.
You still need to know your players and how they fit into a system. I'd say knowing your players is even more important now on a personal level as modern players need more handholding. Ferguson would adapt to any era, he was a master at motivation and ensuring that he had the correct people around him.

They adapted to Frank, it's just the system he had them playing lacked any creativity beyond putting a cross in. They won't adapt to Tudor if he keeps constantly playing players out of position doing roles they don't have the ability for.
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The system didn't lack creativity, the players we have available lack it. It doesn't matter who you put in charge, the inability to pass through the lines is here to stay because we are stick with shufflers and safe passers. Our best and most progressive passer is a fudging CB! I said this months ago on here but when your CB is your best passer and is so by quite some distance the you know you have a seriously unbalanced squad.

What a ridiculous situation to be especially when you think of the money spent to acquire such a middling bunch.
 
The thing is I'm not a board room executive but could see pretty quickly that Igor was absolutely wrong for the job. I was concerned with how open and disjointed we were vs Arsenal, a team which despite their position in the table struggle to carve out chances from open play. Yet they were carving us open at will. Same with Fulham who are decent but not world beating. The 2 goals we conceded there flattered us. There could have been more. Palace was another brick show with 3 goals conceded. There is no basic organisation in place. We struggle to create goal scoring chances and the players look either bewildered or just plain p1ssed off. There is nothing good about this appointment. So how the hell is surviving today is beyond me. I have lost confidence in Vinai Lange and whoever else is involved in this debacle.
 
harr1984 said:
It didn't go down well in the points column either, we were in exactly the same position in the league we are now when he was sacked....
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I'm more so referring to the earlier part of the season when we picked up more points. At some point that changed. Frank was far from perfect but I think we might have picked up a couple more points than we have since he was removed.

We were also looking a little better and more cohesive just at the point when he was sacked. The results weren't going our way but you could see some improved performances. I do think the Odobert Injury is what finally killed him off.
 
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