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General Transfer Rumour Discussion Thread

SUIYHA said:
Wrong. Negotiations started at the beginning of the window.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...airman-Daniel-Levy-over-Hugo-Lloris-deal.html
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We enquired, they said no. It was Lyon who then came to us just before the window closed (cue the infamous rumours Levy agreed a fee then went back with a lower offer).

"Spurs have agreed a fee for goalkeeper Hugo Lloris but only after Lyon reduced their demands for the France captain because they want him to leave. Lyon will now accept pounds 12m for Lloris and although personal terms are yet to be agreed, the deal is expected to go ahead."

by Jason Burt

http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report-tottenham-agree-deals-to-sign-dembele-and-lloris-1734222
 
SUIYHA said:
Wrong on many counts.

Lloris was available, we just took our time dingdonging about haggling on price. Yes, we got a fantastic deal for a fantastic player at a fantastic price, but if we'd had Hugo around to prevent the goals against West Brom or Norwich being conceded then we'd have made a lot more money from CL qualification than we saved, and who knows we might even have had a chance of keeping Bale for one more year. There are fine margins in football...

Second - we're being left behind by our rivals in the transfer market. Ar5ena1 badly needed a keeper, they've got one. Man Utd badly needed to improve at CM and to add some more attacking flair - they've done it. Emirates Marketing Project badly needed some young, fast, dynamic players to add to the squad, they've done it. Liverpool needed more firepower up front, an experienced midfield replacement for Gerrard, a tricky winger replacement for Sterling and a new RB...and guess what, they've done it. It's not even just the biggest clubs in the league - even the likes of Stoke, West Ham and Southampton have all signed more than twice as many players as we have this summer - to address deficiencies in their squads, and some of them look very promising. First priority for us this summer should have been a top class wide forward/winger - not signed. Second should have been another one - not signed. Third should have been a top class CM - not signed...unless Alli really steps up in his first season. It's good that we've addressed the CB issues, but then the other urgent requirement was to get in another striker to cover/play with/rotate with Kane - not signed.

We've done well to hang onto Kane, Lloris and Eriksen this summer. If we don't finish top 4 this season then the vultures will start to circle, especially over Lloris - and we'll always be playing the one step forward two steps back game in the transfer window. Now more than ever is the time we need to be pulling the stops out and taking a gamble or two.
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None of the other top 6/7 have really strengthened, except United. But United will still be struggling while brick like Jones and Smalling are anywhere near their defence.

Liverpool and Southampton in particular I expect to really struggle this season - Liverpool because of their crap buys and crap manager, and Southampton because of losing Schneiderlin and EL requirements.

We hear the cries every window that 'now is the time to speculate to accumulate', 'just those final 2 pieces to the jigsaw', 'we'll fall behind by standing still'.

But the reality is most new signings (across the board) flop, most clubs are actually moving backwards (the relative quality of the league has been declining for quite a while now), and organic growth is the only sustainable way to progress.

We've got the youngest side in Europe, which is now got some experience under its belt and done a full pre-season with Poch. The same side that got 5th and a cup final last season, but which has developed and grown together.
 
Jordinho said:
Lloris wasn't available until the last week as Lyon suddenly needed money.

We weren't even looking for anyone else as AVB was happy to go with Friedel.
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... who was a damn fine keeper and not at fault for the goals

likewise when we signed Parker and Ade, we would still have been dingdonged on by United and City
 
Jordinho said:
Seeing as the latter two in particular have no reason to or interest in selling, we'd have to throw silly money at them at this stage.
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I would imagine that we'd have to throw even sillier money at them come 31st August when they have little to no time to bring in a replacement.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I would imagine that we'd have to throw even sillier money at them come 31st August when they have little to no time to bring in a replacement.
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Either they manage to bring in a replacement before then or we move on to the next name on the list. Yes, there's always the chance of not getting any of your primary targets, but that's part of the game.
 
Jordinho said:
Right offer being twice their actual value at the moment. Until they show a willingness to meet in the middle we'll have to wait. I've seen claims we need THREE forwards/strikers brought in. If we were to do whatever it takes to get someone the manager wants in NOW, there wouldn't be any money for number two or three.
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If the right offer for Njie (suggested to be £15million) is really twice the players actual value then I'd question whether he is good enough to be signing for us!
 
Gutter Boy said:
None of the other top 6/7 have really strengthened, except United. But United will still be struggling while ****e like Jones and Smalling are anywhere near their defence.

Liverpool and Southampton in particular I expect to really struggle this season - Liverpool because of their crap buys and crap manager, and Southampton because of losing Schneiderlin and EL requirements.

We hear the cries every window that 'now is the time to speculate to accumulate', 'just those final 2 pieces to the jigsaw', 'we'll fall behind by standing still'.

But the reality is most new signings (across the board) flop, most clubs are actually moving backwards (the relative quality of the league has been declining for quite a while now), and organic growth is the only sustainable way to progress.

We've got the youngest side in Europe, which is now got some experience under its belt and done a full pre-season with Poch. The same side that got 5th and a cup final last season, but which has developed and grown together.
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Crap buys?.... Milner, Clyne, Benteke and Firminho?... Three good players all proven in the PL and a very, very exciting, talented player who had done well in a league that is quite similar to the PL?

Most clubs are indeed moving backwards, unfortunately we are one of those clubs. A few years ago under Redknapp we expected to challenge the top four, we now happily accept 5th or 6th place with no realistic ambition of a top 4 place.
 
SUIYHA said:
Wrong on many counts.

Lloris was available, we just took our time dingdonging about haggling on price. Yes, we got a fantastic deal for a fantastic player at a fantastic price, but if we'd had Hugo around to prevent the goals against West Brom or Norwich being conceded then we'd have made a lot more money from CL qualification than we saved, and who knows we might even have had a chance of keeping Bale for one more year. There are fine margins in football...

Second - we're being left behind by our rivals in the transfer market. Ar5ena1 badly needed a keeper, they've got one. Man Utd badly needed to improve at CM and to add some more attacking flair - they've done it. Emirates Marketing Project badly needed some young, fast, dynamic players to add to the squad, they've done it. Liverpool needed more firepower up front, an experienced midfield replacement for Gerrard, a tricky winger replacement for Sterling and a new RB...and guess what, they've done it. It's not even just the biggest clubs in the league - even the likes of Stoke, West Ham and Southampton have all signed more than twice as many players as we have this summer - to address deficiencies in their squads, and some of them look very promising. First priority for us this summer should have been a top class wide forward/winger - not signed. Second should have been another one - not signed. Third should have been a top class CM - not signed...unless Alli really steps up in his first season. It's good that we've addressed the CB issues, but then the other urgent requirement was to get in another striker to cover/play with/rotate with Kane - not signed.

We've done well to hang onto Kane, Lloris and Eriksen this summer. If we don't finish top 4 this season then the vultures will start to circle, especially over Lloris - and we'll always be playing the one step forward two steps back game in the transfer window. Now more than ever is the time we need to be pulling the stops out and taking a gamble or two.
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Lloris, even when we did sign him, didn't go straight into the team so not sure getting him in early would have made any difference apart from us paying more.

Arsenal, Man United and Emirates Marketing Project are in the Champions League and pay big wages. There aren't many bigger clubs then them. We're not in the same league. We are looking for Champions League level players but cannot/will not pay the Champions League prices and are not in the Champions League. So, when we are interested in a player that is at that level (or has the potential to get to that level) those same players will make the judgement of whether they should move to spurs now or wait to see if any of the bigger clubs may come in for them. Why would a Kramer sign for us, when he is one of the highest rated youngsters in europe and his agent will be saying "Emirates Marketing Project/Arsenal/Man United/Chelsea/Real Madrid/Barcelona/Juventus will be in for you, mark my words".

Liverpool have done their business early, and they have looked to have strengthened their team. They also have a turnover of £256m versus our £181m, so can afford to pay higher wages i.e. the players need to wait for a bigger offer dissipates as Liverpool are offering it anyway. Good luck to them. If a top level striker becomes available for less than £32m who has for the better deal?

There are advantages and disadvantages of doing the business early. If we had signed Damaio or whoever early and over the odds, would we have signed VdV? By doing your business early, you can also miss out on the better players. We don't have a limitless pot of money, we're not in the champions league and we have a stadium to build and finance. Why pay over the odds for getting a player in early for 3-4 games over a 4-5 year contract? Until we are at the top of the food chain, players will always look for the better deal especially when they can only transfer in two windows.

I take Levy at face value. He has said that he would like to do business early but that it is not always possible.

I do fear that this "keeping up with the Jones'" type attitude had some bearing on us signing those 7 players. How much success did that bring? It would keep the naysayers happy for a month, but soon all go to pot if those signings don't work out. Our transfer policy cannot be predicated on doing business early. It has to be on focusing on talent and getting as much of it with the limited resources that we have. Any other way is just foolish, imo.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Why did they suddenly need money?.... Did they have a payday loan that they'd forgotten about or something?
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Could be for anything. Perhaps another player they were looking to sell didn't move. Maybe they were playing hardball and just lost. I don't think we can speculate as to the reasons, the fact is that they did reduce the price later to a level that we thought was suitable.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Crap buys?.... Milner, Clyne, Benteke and Firminho?... Three good players all proven in the PL and a very, very exciting, talented player who had done well in a league that is quite similar to the PL?

Most clubs are indeed moving backwards, unfortunately we are one of those clubs. A few years ago under Redknapp we expected to challenge the top four, we now happily accept 5th or 6th place with no realistic ambition of a top 4 place.
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We would have happily accepted 5th or 6th under Redknapp as well. The reality is that gaps in the top 4 were created by implosions at various different times by clubs with better budgets and squads than us and we sneaked in. in 2009/10 we gained 4th with a starting line-up for the majority of the season with in some ways less quality than the current squad: Gomes / Corluka, Dawson, Bassong, Assou-Ekotto / Lennon, Palacios, Huddlestone, Modric / Crouch, Defoe. Bale did not play for the majority of that season. Neither did King. Modric was injured for a large portion at the start as well and Kranjcar played in his place.

We'd have happily taken top 8 that season, given the season before. But Liverpool had a mare of a season and Emirates Marketing Project who were our main challengers for top 4 were in the process of building their squad and while they did have some excellent players like Tevez, they also came up short over the season.

The other season we finished in the top 4, Chelsea and Liverpool both had horrible seasons by their standards, with Chelsea finishing 6th. That squad did have some outstanding individuals in Bale, Van der Vaart, King and Modric. However, in my view it wasn't the 4th best squad on paper in the country. We again took advantage of other team's failings.

Unfortunately, in recent seasons, the main teams we have at various times been close to displacing in the top 4, Arsenal and then later Man Utd, have huge budgets and have been able to spend ridiculous amounts of money to sign proven world-class players.

All we can hope for is a 5th-6th place finish and if we're lucky and consistent enough and one of the top four has a poor season, we can maybe sneak in again.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Crap buys?.... Milner, Clyne, Benteke and Firminho?... Three good players all proven in the PL and a very, very exciting, talented player who had done well in a league that is quite similar to the PL?

Most clubs are indeed moving backwards, unfortunately we are one of those clubs. A few years ago under Redknapp we expected to challenge the top four, we now happily accept 5th or 6th place with no realistic ambition of a top 4 place.
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Sorry Finney, but I just don't agree that we're moving backwards. The only thing that could be said is that others are moving ahead of us, but you cannot judge that now. If we bought the third highest La Liga striker, a brazilian international midfielder, a french international midfielder, one of the highest rated youngsters in Europe and romanian defender that Jose, no less, was interested in, would we be moving forwards?
 
Gazzasrightboot said:
Sorry Finney, but I just don't agree that we're moving backwards. The only thing that could be said is that others are moving ahead of us, but you cannot judge that now. If we bought the third highest La Liga striker, a brazilian international midfielder, a french international midfielder, one of the highest rated youngsters in Europe and romanian defender that Jose, no less, was interested in, would we be moving forwards?
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I agree, if anything, you look at our squad now to the squad that got into the Champions League in 2010, I would say the current squad is significantly better than that squad in most areas of the pitch. The problem is that now the goons have finished paying off their stadium and realising the full commercial benefits, they can spend £40m on Ozil and £35m on Sanchez and realistically buy someone like Benzema. City and Chelsea have ridiculous squads funded by oil money and Man Utd have their massive commercial machine to fund the highest spend in English football history. Those clubs are able to buy players light-years away from the players English football was able to attract just a few seasons ago. You compare Arsenal, Man Utd and Emirates Marketing Project's squads to the squads they had when we finished in the top 4 and you realise why despite improving our own playing staff, we've actually dropped further behind.
 
Gazzasrightboot said:
Sorry Finney, but I just don't agree that we're moving backwards. The only thing that could be said is that others are moving ahead of us, but you cannot judge that now. If we bought the third highest La Liga striker, a brazilian international midfielder, a french international midfielder, one of the highest rated youngsters in Europe and romanian defender that Jose, no less, was interested in, would we be moving forwards?
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We are about to go into the season with one, yes that is ONE striker.....
 
Jordinho said:
This is how the transfer market works these days unless you're a CL club and pay over the odds or gamble on relatively unproven and even those are hard to push through as most clubs don't want to sell.
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Yep, even City, with all their unearned millions took weeks and weeks and more than a little player agitation to get Sterling.

Man U have paid strong money for their targets, Liverpool have paid a release clause for their main signing and Chelsea are struggling to sign Stones.

It's not Levy 'leaving it late again'; there are at least two other parties in a transfer: the selling club and the player (and agent). Even if a club will sell, the player might want to wait to see who else comes in.

We don't operate in a vacuum, there are myriad factors that can affect our proposed dealings.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Crap buys?.... Milner, Clyne, Benteke and Firminho?... Three good players all proven in the PL and a very, very exciting, talented player who had done well in a league that is quite similar to the PL?

Most clubs are indeed moving backwards, unfortunately we are one of those clubs. A few years ago under Redknapp we expected to challenge the top four, we now happily accept 5th or 6th place with no realistic ambition of a top 4 place.
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Btw, it's Firmino. No 'h' in there, so no '-yo' sound at the end... a fact that most broadcasters seem to be struggling with.
 
Finney Is Back said:
If the right offer for Njie (suggested to be £15million) is really twice the players actual value then I'd question whether he is good enough to be signing for us!
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If there was any truth in him being available at that price he'd be here now.

They're either asking for much more than that or there are other issues to overcome. Or maybe we aren't that interested.
 
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