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[Raziel]

that depends on how you define good, I'd say they are efficient, effective and pragmatic, they have a system which takes advantage of the weakness in the officiating and the naivety of others, its targeted, brilliantly

we are a similar size club, this is the blueprint, unless we lower ourselves to cheat off the pitch, financially like City and Chelsea, or chemically like the dippers and Leicester, this is how we win, by cheating on the pitch

1 goal wins, set pieces, getting away with murder, inject it in my veins, thats proper football

Not sure if serious mate .. but either way

1. It won't last, they got lucky (and that's part of the game, we needed to win the league under Poch when 81 points would get you it), this anti football brick will die as teams learn how to counter it. There has been a lot of noise of how favorable decisions have been for them, the PMGOL as usual instead of trying to fix anything (consistency) will probably just over correct a little on them.

2. I don't want to see it, the last 20 years for me has been interesting, I rather watch Harry/Poch (maybe RDZ) than AVB/Jose/Frank, I'm ok with constant European participation with a decent brand of football than fudging dross week in, week out, to maybe do what they did? 6 years of brick football for a title .. I'll pass

note: I know people will jump all over this, lack of ambition, small club mentality, whatever .. honestly fudge it, having a season ticket, living a fair clip from stadium, giving up a huge part of your week-end or getting home late midweek to watch absolute brick football isn't where it's at for me. Let the internet clowns count trophies like if it fudging matters.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Come on mate, have you watched them?

3rd lowest points total to win the league in about 15 years, vast majority of wins by 1 goal, by set piece, been amazingly "fortunate" with no penalties given against them, no red cards (despite numerous obvious bad tackles).

Yes they won, and yes that is all that matters, but no way is it good football, and they may win against PSG but lets be clear, PSG on their best day, or Bayern or Barcelona on their best days are leagues above Arsenal on their best day

Don’t bother mate, he loves Arsenal.

 

[Baleforce]

Not sure if serious mate .. but either way

1. It won't last, they got lucky (and that's part of the game, we needed to win the league under Poch when 81 points would get you it), this anti football brick will die as teams learn how to counter it. There has been a lot of noise of how favorable decisions have been for them, the PMGOL as usual instead of trying to fix anything (consistency) will probably just over correct a little on them.

2. I don't want to see it, the last 20 years for me has been interesting, I rather watch Harry/Poch (maybe RDZ) than AVB/Jose/Frank, I'm ok with constant European participation with a decent brand of football than fudging dross week in, week out, to maybe do what they did? 6 years of brick football for a title .. I'll pass

note: I know people will jump all over this, lack of ambition, small club mentality, whatever .. honestly fudge it, having a season ticket, living a fair clip from stadium, giving up a huge part of your week-end or getting home late midweek to watch absolute brick football isn't where it's at for me. Let the internet clowns count trophies like if it fudging matters.

completely serious

I think the dark side always wins, Vader was right, even Yoda conceded that point

we've spent 140 years trying it the right way, basically fudge all to show for it, 2 league titles, I just want to win the European Cup, and I think there is only one path that gets us there in my lifetime

I respect your opinion, its the mainstream one tbh, just not for me

 

[glasgowspur]

Not sure if serious mate .. but either way

1. It won't last, they got lucky (and that's part of the game, we needed to win the league under Poch when 81 points would get you it), this anti football brick will die as teams learn how to counter it. There has been a lot of noise of how favorable decisions have been for them, the PMGOL as usual instead of trying to fix anything (consistency) will probably just over correct a little on them.

2. I don't want to see it, the last 20 years for me has been interesting, I rather watch Harry/Poch (maybe RDZ) than AVB/Jose/Frank, I'm ok with constant European participation with a decent brand of football than fudging dross week in, week out, to maybe do what they did? 6 years of brick football for a title .. I'll pass

note: I know people will jump all over this, lack of ambition, small club mentality, whatever .. honestly fudge it, having a season ticket, living a fair clip from stadium, giving up a huge part of your week-end or getting home late midweek to watch absolute brick football isn't where it's at for me. Let the internet clowns count trophies like if it fudging matters.

They have been lucky, what worries me is how much luckier are they about to get.
No pep at city, utd, Liverpool and Chelsea all look like it's a toss up between decent and rank.
Normally I think this was a one off for them, looking around at the competition I'm not so sure.

 

[Ace Face]

If I remember correctly it came out that Paratici had been doing some transfer deal of his own, acquiring a new lady friend and that was why he wanted to go back to Italy....

Paratici and Langhe as a team was never going to work. I struggle to think how that role can be occupied by two people and be successful, and certainly not with two as diametrically different as those two.

I don’t imagine they had dinner together often.

 

[Jurgen the German]

They have been lucky, what worries me is how much luckier are they about to get.
No pep at city, utd, Liverpool and Chelsea all look like it's a toss up between decent and rank.
Normally I think this was a one off for them, looking around at the competition I'm not so sure.

Unfortunately they are a very good team. They don’t create a lot from open play but they’ve effective. Not to mention everyone else has got worse. I’m just hoping now that they’ve finally got over the line that teams will try harder to figure them out. Everyone wants to beat and measure themselves against the champions.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

They have been lucky, what worries me is how much luckier are they about to get.
No pep at city, utd, Liverpool and Chelsea all look like it's a toss up between decent and rank.
Normally I think this was a one off for them, looking around at the competition I'm not so sure.

Got to wonder if the refs will at some point apply the rules correctly against them
That will have cost them this year for example

 

[thfcsteff]

I disagree. I don’t think Levy leaving destabilised anything. I bet the players and coaches couldn’t give a fudge.

There was clearly a problem at our club (perhaps there still is but we won’t know that for a while yet). The chief exec and his board of cronies were jettisoned, that is typically the first step in turning around an underperforming business (or sports team in this instance) especially if you believe the exec team is the reason for the under performance.

I’ve done this same thing myself a fair few times, usually after trying to work with them to turn things around only to realise we’re on very different pages or that the board actually are the problem.

That there has been something wrong with our club is clear. I believe you and I would both tab that back to the 2019 season when awful decisions were made which have impacted us horrendously since. That change needed to come is beyond dispute. How that change needed to be applied is where I question (wholly) the wisdom of making a change of such magnitude at a time like that. I'll politely bet you in return that the players and coaches were destabilized; it's not like there were strong, reassuring personalities to tell them the plan.

I think what always made our situation with Levy unique was that he was the door, the lock, and the key. He had full master control. And to axe that overnight and institute a whole new way of working during a season is huge.

Ironically, we could yet benefit from how that all played out. The new structure is that much closer to being fully bedded in, we have somehow landed with a manager who may very well be our new 'Poch', and we survived. Now we have to see what lessons have been learned. This is a massive last-chance saloon shot IMO to really get it right on the footballing side. FWIW I always felt Lange would not survive in his post but Venkatesham would. Let's see if it plays out.