Kandi1977
Terry Dyson
But goals aren't part of the data set!! It's expected points, not goals.
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Kandi1977
Terry Dyson
You were talking about goals from Son and Kane. Goals aren't part of the data set.
No. But expected points are evaluated by how dominant a team is (as said in the article). So by the expected points spurs have been less dominant than 5 other teams over that time period. Yet in reality on average we have finished 4th. So we have either scored more or conceded less than what was expected. (Expected points are partly worked out from xg and xg conceded).
Kandi1977
Terry Dyson
Everyone knows we don't really dominate teams, and don't create a lot of chances, but the chances we DO create, have tended to be high xG. So still can't make that conclusion. You are basing your conclusion on data that isn't part of the graph, and is also irrelevant.
It only shows how teams perform compared to their wage bill, and most follow the line, with City really being the only major anomaly.
Ah, I thought it was xG for/against.
Expected points are a part of the data set. They are the x axis. Expected points are measured by xg and xg conceded (with a little formula thrown in).
Other data sets concur over the last few seasons kane and son have exceeded their xg.
Dunno why you are arguing it. Unless you think they haven't?
Kandi1977
Terry Dyson
Most top class players exceed their xG. It's why they are top class.
That's how they get expected points (to an extent).
Yes but our expected points would have us lower than what we got in reality. Which suggest kane and son have been exceeding even top class players from teams like arsenal and man utd.
If you can find a data set that discounts that fair enough. But until then, i believe that we owe a huge amount to kane and son.
You don't think so fair enough.
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Baleforce
Martin Peters
that’s not exceeding their xG, it’s exceeding general xG, which all forwards should do, as the calculation includes shots not made by shooting specialists
I wish someone would track individual xG, there would be some fascinating data there
Kandi1977
Terry Dyson
There are. Sofascore gives individual xG each game. Haven't seen it added for a period of time though, but the data is out there.
Here's an example from the west ham game last weekend.
Baleforce
Martin Peters
yeah I’m being lazy, I want a running count of how much players are above or below their particular xG
so I can either crow about how great they are or have a go at them for not trying
Even better is xGC (xG chain) which shows how likely a player being in the build up will result in a goal.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Paul Walsh
I must have had a massive xGC when I played, had a manager who said we always looked like conceding when I had the ball.
Jamie carragher?
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Paul Walsh
Kevin Scott
I just remember seeing the highest prem goalscorers against liverpool.
Think it was shearer the most, henry 2nd then caragher. Think he scored 3 for us.
He was our highest scorer against them for a couple of years IIRC
MKSpur
Christian Ziege
Carragher scored the same number of league goals for us as he did for Liverpool - 3