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Danny Rose

Briddo1882 said:
Bit of a nothing article really,he is just saying you would expect them to be there, they are running away with it and we intend to be there if they slip up.....nothing to see here, move along now!! ;-)
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Agreed

It’s part of a bigger press conference he was involved in too where he talks about depression, seeing a psychologist and how he was desperate to get back playing

The question around city was about how he sees the league so far... and he made fair and sensible comments surely. We expected them to be there as they spent a lot of money buying players and were targetting our game vs then as a huge one
 
I am a big fan of Danny Rose. To have him back performing as he did before his injury would be like having a new signing. As good as Ben Davies has been, to have Rose back in defence gives me an added sense of security. His drive and will to win can push us that extra 10% especially in the big games.

Plus well done for highlighting depression and its insidious effects, sadly still so misunderstood.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Agreed

It’s part of a bigger press conference he was involved in too where he talks about depression, seeing a psychologist and how he was desperate to get back playing

The question around city was about how he sees the league so far... and he made fair and sensible comments surely. We expected them to be there as they spent a lot of money buying players and were targetting our game vs then as a huge one
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That's why I see having players at press conferences a banana skin, they either come across as a big head or semi literate, with the media and many fans ready to jump on any comment and blowing it up out of context. Most people lack self awareness and never realise they need help in coping with a totally fudge ed up world even if they have got shed loads of money.
 
Indeed, journalists are paid to create nasty questions to trip up players and coaches e.g. Do you think Poch could manage a big club like Real Madrid? Do you think you can win your place back from Davies? Etc... either way the player can't avoid headlines, unless he puts on a foreign accent and goes off on a tangent about the project, so everyone drifts off and forgets what the question was: I feel a momentum within the collective; our passion is systematic and our systems are integral to the feelings we deliver to the fans. My coaching team and my playing squad are aligned in their respective goals to penetrate vertical systems and retain the same ideas that we set out before and during the sessions.
 
Bullet said:
Indeed, journalists are paid to create nasty questions to trip up players and coaches e.g. Do you think Poch could manage a big club like Real Madrid? Do you think you can win your place back from Davies? Etc... either way the player can't avoid headlines, unless he puts on a foreign accent and goes off on a tangent about the project, so everyone drifts off and forgets what the question was: I feel a momentum within the collective; our passion is systematic and our systems are integral to the feelings we deliver to the fans. My coaching team and my playing squad are aligned in their respective goals to penetrate vertical systems and retain the same ideas that we set out before and during the sessions.
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Please stop that takes me back to those pointless symposiums at work, I sure facilitators are paid by the number of syllables they can get in a presentation (lecture).
 
Actually feel a lot more sympathy for Rose now and the amount of money he earns has nothing to do with any problems he may have. He was humble and honest, more honest then most players I have ever seen. He admits to jealousy which is a normal human emotion. Personally I can completely forgive his outburst in the summer as we now understand what was going on in his head even more.

He may still put in a transfer request in the summer as is his right but he has shown the issues different people go through, we still all have issues. Not to bang the drum to much, but I think mental health is clearly a growing problem in todays society as seen by the many different posters in the mental health thread on the random side of this website.

I wish Danny all the best for the rest of the season and his career.
 
There will be some who simply cannot disconnect less-than-solid mental health from receiving a large pay-check.
This lad has, for years, geared his life towards physical activity and performance. His very reason to be, his main drive was taken away from him for months at a time when he could see that he could have been an integral part of something hugely successful.
I completely understand the maelstrom of emotion that he alludes to and it is a poor human being who does not begin to sympathise, even if they cannot empathise.
 
At the highest level, and in this world of marginal gains, mental strength and stability can make a huge difference. We talk about confidence, players being in form, motivation, etc. -- all part of the mental game that can be improved by a psychologist or other therapy. Hell, even a manager who gives you a massive bear-hug or tells you to FRAAB. I've seen members of the GB cycling team speak highly of their sports psychs, for instance.

Footballers are still young men, thrust into the spotlight as boys. Sure, they're amply compensated, but that doesn't mean they don't have issues.
 
JerusalemMan said:
There will be some who simply cannot disconnect less-than-solid mental health from receiving a large pay-check.
This lad has, for years, geared his life towards physical activity and performance. His very reason to be, his main drive was taken away from him for months at a time when he could see that he could have been an integral part of something hugely successful.
I completely understand the maelstrom of emotion that he alludes to and it is a poor human being who does not begin to sympathise, even if they cannot empathise.
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100% this.

Gary Speed, Chris Cornell or Chester Bennington - all wealthy guys, all successful professionally, all with a stable home life and background and STILL ended their own lives due to mental illness.

Hopefully Danny is getting the help and support he needs - I am pleased he is back and hopefully the Psychologist will help give him strategies to deal with the difficult times. We don't want to see another young man buckling under the pressure.

I think the media should be making a big deal about this issue, mental illness (or physical for that matter) doesn't discriminate, it can strike anyone at anytime and if their publicity helps a family member recognise the symptoms in a loved one then there is some good to come out of it. So many suffer in silence......
 
hmmm... did i miss anything or did someone confirm that danny has a mental condition?

regardless, he violated club rules and what i'd call professional standards when he went ot blab on air.

i imagine i'd get the sack if i did likewise and mouthed off about the company i work.

if the pressure is too great, do what David Bentley did - walk away and do something you like!
 
JerusalemMan said:
There will be some who simply cannot disconnect less-than-solid mental health from receiving a large pay-check.
This lad has, for years, geared his life towards physical activity and performance. His very reason to be, his main drive was taken away from him for months at a time when he could see that he could have been an integral part of something hugely successful.
I completely understand the maelstrom of emotion that he alludes to and it is a poor human being who does not begin to sympathise, even if they cannot empathise.
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Very well put mate. In one sense however, being a highly paid footballer does make you fortunate in that although the pay cheque does not provide immunity to mental health illness it does give you access to a broader range of treatments. Danny was lucky to have been able to see a psychologist to help him work through his issues. They are not cheap.

One of my children suffers from general anxiety disorder which is highly debilitating for them. Recommended Psychologist cost around £100 per hour which although I am not poorly paid, is still a stretch. My wife and I were referred to our local NHS Camhs service to be told that her condition was not life threatening so they couldn't help her. Decent Mental health services if you are not wealthy are almost out of reach unless you problem is acute and critical.
 
I was highly, highly critical of Rose and felt his actions were poor. I have revised my viewpoint based on contextual information we've all read. Most importantly, the manager believes in him at this moment in time. He has my full support, something I will admit I never thought I'd be able to give...
 
Robspur12 said:
Very well put mate. In one sense however, being a highly paid footballer does make you fortunate in that although the pay cheque does not provide immunity to mental health illness it does give you access to a broader range of treatments.
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I don't think it is that easy. Do you think it was access to/lack of acccess to treatment metholody that make Gary Speed (et al) to take their lives?

It is very hard to cure mental illness with traditional methods known to the heathcare. To qoute a comic strip I read a few years ago:

-Are you happy now, when you taking those "happy pills"?
-No, but I have a sh*t about that I´m unhappy.
 
metalgear said:
hmmm... did i miss anything or did someone confirm that danny has a mental condition?

regardless, he violated club rules and what i'd call professional standards when he went ot blab on air.

i imagine i'd get the sack if i did likewise and mouthed off about the company i work.

if the pressure is too great, do what David Bentley did - walk away and do something you like!
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His recent interview, he stated he saw a specialist re depression as he was struggling with not being able to play and seeing the team do so well.

Footballers get special treatment due to the money they generate mate, if you help your company generate 10s/100s of millions of revenue, they will cut you some slack, similar to how the music industry has put up with behavior from musicians for decades.

Your comment about walk away lacks a bit of sensitivity mate, why not help, if it helps the player as a human and to be successful as a player?

My view is Danny was frustrated by not playing, seeing the team and his replacement do well, probably losing out on performance/play bonuses (hence why money was part of the bitch) and he's never been the smartest person re media and how they will lead him to make clickbait/controversial statements. That said, Poch is fudging ruthless, wouldn't be surprised to see us mutually agree to offload him in summer.
 
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Lol, Sugar telling Levy how to run a football club.
Sir Alan sold his remaining shares in Tottenham Hotspur in 2007. In typically acerbic fashion he described his time as chairman of the north London football club as "a waste of my life", which must be galling given he was there for a whole decade, from 1991 to 2001.

Footballers, he once said, are "the biggest scum that walk the planet."
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In October 1998, former Tottenham striker Teddy Sheringham released his autobiography, in which he attacked Sugar as the reason he left Tottenham in 1997. Sheringham said Sugar had accused him of feigning injury during a long spell on the sidelines during the 1993/1994 season. He wrote that Sugar had refused to give him the five-year contract he wanted, as he had not believed Sheringham would still get into the Tottenham team when he was 36. Sheringham returned to Tottenham after his spell at Manchester United and continued to start for the first team until he was released in the summer of 2003, at age 37. Sheringham said that Sugar lacked ambition and was hypocritical. As an example, Sugar asked him for recommendations of players; when Sheringham suggested England midfielder Paul Ince, Sugar refused because he did not want to spend £4 million on a player who would soon be 30. After Sheringham left Spurs, Sugar approved the signing of Les Ferdinand, aged 31, for a club record £6 million, on higher wages than Sheringham had wanted.
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So fully fit but not in the squad, rumours he was told he wasn't started and then threw a hissy fit so Poch told him to stay away (well a theory suggested on sky sports). If so then it would seem this is the end of him but would seem odd as only the other day he was saying how he relished the competition for places.

I can see us doing some form of swap deal for Shaw.
 
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