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Cristian Romero

stratnumberone said:
My issue with Romero is that I’ve seen very little positive leadership from him on the field. Additionally, His recklessness has returned with a vengeance this season (eg yesterday’s yellow) and he has spent a large portion of the season suspended. I take no joy out of seeing him cry or get injured. However, do I think he was crying for Tottenham and his abject failure to inspire anyone around him? No, I don’t. I think he cried purely for himself. And I personally don’t care about the WC; I care about Spurs. He’s our fudging captain so he should care about Spurs, too. I haven’t seen it.
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Yesterday's yellow was far from reckless.
You know my major criticism of him this season? Two of the five goals he scored were last minute equalisers that got us draws away from home, saved Frank's job a bit longer, and allowed Frank to say we had 'played well' in said-games. If he hadn't bothered scoring those then perhaps we'd have got rid of Frank sooner because the alarm bells would've been more tangible.

As for the rest of what you said, needless to say I heartily disagree.
 
SteveAWOL said:
How on earth have we gone from being blessed with 2 Golden Boot winners in attack to having a forward line who are incapable hitting double figures!

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We had a proven PL goalscorer that many fans criticsised because as a wide player he never wanted to take on full backs but he had a knack of getting on to crosses and scoring but for some unknown reason was sold in January.
 
thfcsteff said:
for any other player than Romero, no. If that's Gabriel it's good hard defending.
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Thought he won the ball fairly, his reputation makes the ref give the foul and yellow.
Not one to usually dig out refs as it's not easy out there but how he didn't give Brobbey a yellow when he flew into Romero I'll never know.
Should have had a 3rd yellow for the 'dangerous play' shove on Romero into Kinsky too.
Loads of other poor decisions, the 'handball' by Muani when we could've broke away 2nd half was based purely on the crowd calling for it.
 
stratnumberone said:
My issue with Romero is that I’ve seen very little positive leadership from him on the field. Additionally, His recklessness has returned with a vengeance this season (eg yesterday’s yellow) and he has spent a large portion of the season suspended. I take no joy out of seeing him cry or get injured. However, do I think he was crying for Tottenham and his abject failure to inspire anyone around him? No, I don’t. I think he cried purely for himself. And I personally don’t care about the WC; I care about Spurs. He’s our fudging captain so he should care about Spurs, too. I haven’t seen it.
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My reading of it too.

There were elements of his performance in the Forest game that were disgraceful really. On Sunday, he again confused commitment with brainlessly running around (the bizarre attempt to defend with a scorpion kick, the revenge tackle that was always going to happen as soon as he was fouled).

IMO he’s no loss at this stage as he’s not what’s required in our back line in a relegation battle (although it’s all probably a moot point now tbh).
 
Can we all just forget about the tooing and froing on what Romero is or isn't.

He won't be playing again for us this season.

And probably won't be playing for us again.

So wasted energy

IBTL
 
thfcsteff said:
Yesterday's yellow was far from reckless.
You know my major criticism of him this season? Two of the five goals he scored were last minute equalisers that got us draws away from home, saved Frank's job a bit longer, and allowed Frank to say we had 'played well' in said-games. If he hadn't bothered scoring those then perhaps we'd have got rid of Frank sooner because the alarm bells would've been more tangible.

As for the rest of what you said, needless to say I heartily disagree.
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Have to say, I disagree on the yellow Steff. The Sunderland lad has his back to our goal midway inside the half. You just need to stop him turning there. That's what top defenders do.

What Romero did was slide in from behind. Of course, you might win the ball and get us on the counter. However, there is always a good chance you give away a foul and, if you do, it's a yellow. There's also a chance you miss entirely and you're now out of the game because you're on your arse and Sunderland are on their way towards your goal.

It wasn't good decision making. Romero rarely weighs up the risk/reward of his actions. He just acts on impulse - if he thinks he can win the ball, he's doing that regardless of potential consequences. When it comes off, it looks great. When it doesn't, it's a problem.

Romero is such a talented lad. Good defender and very good on the ball. I'm not happy he's out albeit I think Danso is a very good replacement. I also don't agree with some of the personal abuse he's gotten online. However, his decision making is poor and the yellow on Sunday, for me, was a good illustration of that.
 
SteveAWOL said:
How on earth have we gone from being blessed with 2 Golden Boot winners in attack to having a forward line who are incapable hitting double figures!

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It's pretty easy, they aren't good players. This is why for years now I've been saying we need to stop accepting mediocrity and giving plautitudes for the ordinary. When I kept saying Richy wasn't good enough 3 years ago so many made excuses for him, when I say Solanke is meh and has had one good season again excuses were made. Well now the chickens have come home to roost.
 
indospurs said:
We will miss Cuti, i was hoping him and vdv chip in with more goals for the run in

However, as a pertnership with vdv for me it has never really clicked - both have good and different features but we let in far too many, giving away goals we shouldn't
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For a tall lad Van Der Ven don't win many headers, quite a few times I've watched him not even bothering to jump.
 
yiddo37 said:
For a tall lad Van Der Ven don't win many headers, quite a few times I've watched him not even bothering to jump.
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It's cliché but height doesn't really have much to say in heading prowess. Cannarvo was fantastic header of the ball, winning virtually everything against everyone and he was only 5ft9. Paul Parker was also short and basically never lost a heading duel. Even Romero is only 6ft, relatively short for a CB and he wins his lions share of heading fuels. Defensive heading ability is more about anticipation and reading the flight if the ball than it is to do with pure height.
 
thfcsteff said:
Yesterday's yellow was far from reckless.
You know my major criticism of him this season? Two of the five goals he scored were last minute equalisers that got us draws away from home, saved Frank's job a bit longer, and allowed Frank to say we had 'played well' in said-games. If he hadn't bothered scoring those then perhaps we'd have got rid of Frank sooner because the alarm bells would've been more tangible.

As for the rest of what you said, needless to say I heartily disagree.
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Football is all about disagreement, and it’s frequently hearty! A question: do you think he has shown good leadership on the pitch this season?
 
stratnumberone said:
Football is all about disagreement, and it’s frequently hearty! A question: do you think he has shown good leadership on the pitch this season?
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I agree and it is a great question.
In certain games, absolutely!
In the way I like leaders to be, I'd concede it is a tough argument. But I am a Jordan Henderson type leader liker, and he is not that for sure.
 
thfcsteff said:
I agree and it is a great question.
In certain games, absolutely!
In the way I like leaders to be, I'd concede it is a tough argument. But I am a Jordan Henderson type leader liker, and he is not that for sure.
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My issue with Romero as a leader is that he seems very sulky when things aren’t going his way. The slow recovery to position, sitting on the floor asking for a foul, for example. I would like to see him brushing these things off and getting on with the game as soon as he realises he’s not getting a foul. Or sprint back into position when an attack breaks down. That’s setting an example. A positive example. Then making it clear he expects the same of everyone else. I think that’s what Henderson would do/has done/does.

The irony is that Henderson is a significantly limited footballer compared to Romero (in my opinion) but I think he has a far greater positive impact on the field.

Of course, all of what you and I say and think and opine about Romero and his effect on his teammates might be total gonads. He might be inspirational behind the scenes and already coaxing the very best out of his team mates. I just don’t think that’s the case.

I am not sure who will Captain the side in his absence - VDV, perhaps? Or Vic? I don’t really see that urgency or demonstrative leadership in them, either. In fact, I am not sure which fit players of ours would make a strong captain.

I can see Gray being an excellent captain one day. Maybe Danso, too. Perhaps Palninha would be a good choice, but is it right to have a loanee as Captain? If it works then it must be…
 
indospurs said:
We will miss Cuti, i was hoping him and vdv chip in with more goals for the run in

However, as a pertnership with vdv for me it has never really clicked - both have good and different features but we let in far too many, giving away goals we shouldn't
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I think we'll be stronger with Danso.
Good, solid, normal defender.
Also a threat from corners.
Long throw could be useful too.

Is he as good at some of the defensive side as Romero? No.
But he is makes less positional mistakes/risks (delete as appropriate - ultimately, in sport, the outcome determines the answer).

I think we'll be more solid.
All we have to do after that is remember how to put the round thing in between the stick things, and past the human wearing a different kit to ours.
 
stratnumberone said:
My issue with Romero as a leader is that he seems very sulky when things aren’t going his way. The slow recovery to position, sitting on the floor asking for a foul, for example. I would like to see him brushing these things off and getting on with the game as soon as he realises he’s not getting a foul. Or sprint back into position when an attack breaks down. That’s setting an example. A positive example. Then making it clear he expects the same of everyone else. I think that’s what Henderson would do/has done/does.

The irony is that Henderson is a significantly limited footballer compared to Romero (in my opinion) but I think he has a far greater positive impact on the field.

Of course, all of what you and I say and think and opine about Romero and his effect on his teammates might be total gonads. He might be inspirational behind the scenes and already coaxing the very best out of his team mates. I just don’t think that’s the case.

I am not sure who will Captain the side in his absence - VDV, perhaps? Or Vic? I don’t really see that urgency or demonstrative leadership in them, either. In fact, I am not sure which fit players of ours would make a strong captain.

I can see Gray being an excellent captain one day. Maybe Danso, too. Perhaps Palninha would be a good choice, but is it right to have a loanee as Captain? If it works then it must be…
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I think some of what you're critiquing is a difference in personality. I have wondered about his speed in getting back sometimes but also wonder if he sometimes sees that his position is initially covered and decides to risk it and loiter for a moment in case we end up with a break potential. I have honestly not seen him loiter too much after a foul. I think we need a leader like Henderson for sure, that sort of leader, but I think a lot like Romero in the dressing room. Gray will be a great captain one day, Bergvall too IMO...right now, it's hard to pick. IF pushed, I would go for Porro who does seem a loud [gee you up) kind of guy...I do not think VdV should be captain right now.
 
monkeybarry said:
I think we'll be stronger with Danso.
Good, solid, normal defender.
Also a threat from corners.
Long throw could be useful too.

Is he as good at some of the defensive side as Romero? No.
But he is makes less positional mistakes/risks (delete as appropriate - ultimately, in sport, the outcome determines the answer).

I think we'll be more solid.
All we have to do after that is remember how to put the round thing in between the stick things, and past the human wearing a different kit to ours.
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I think we will once again see massive issues moving the ball unless DeZerbi makes it paramount that we quickly move the ball to Gray/Bergvall/Sarr/Biss fast and then top Xavi. We will lose passes through the lines and we cannot afford to try and invite a press on to play through it...Danso is a fine box defender though.
 
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