Berahino in January for £25m?

[parklane1]

But they had no time to spend the 25m, so peace thought I may as well keep him and if his goals keep us up then even if his value drops by 15m in a year, I would have done the right thing.

We are speculating again.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I can't believe I'm saying This but Berahino sacking his agent act silly cost him this time as he would have had someone working for him as a middle man

He wouldn't have needed to go public and the agent would have worked for both Spurs and west brom to get the deal done

I'm now going to be sick after writing about the merits of footballs agents

 

[mudshark]

There is also the possibility that Peace will have sold WBA by then. I think it's too difficult to predict what's going to happen here. Peace is not exactly rational!

I disagree; I don't think it is difficult. It looks clear to me that it got personal, and I think Peace will have made it his mission now to see that Berahino goes elsewhere when he does go. Similarly with Saints re Wanyama and Rodriguez. I'd probably have done the same, dealing with him. Levy. Always has to try one more squeeze. People just don't like the man.

 

[Jordinho]

I disagree; I don't think it is difficult. It looks clear to me that it got personal, and I think Peace will have made it his mission now to see that Berahino goes elsewhere when he does go. Similarly with Saints re Wanyama and Rodriguez. I'd probably have done the same, dealing with him. Levy. Always has to try one more squeeze. People just don't like the man.

Same goes for every chairman out there. They all have their ways of doing things, whether it all happens in public or not, and anyone who is universally liked by other clubs isn't doing his job properly.

Liverpool tapping up Keane. ManU, Real and Chelsea have all screwed us over. The first two by going in with low offers and unsettling our players before finally caving to our demands towards the end of the window (sound familiar?). We could have told them to do one on deadline day, but you have to consider the fallout.

 

[mudshark]

Others might have their moments, but nobody gets dug out over it as often as Danny Boy does. Whatevs. The point is he ain't getting his way over this one, and one of these days, it may reach the point where everybody's had enough of him.

 

[Jordinho]

Others might have their moments, but nobody gets dug out over it as often as Danny Boy does. Whatevs. The point is he ain't getting his way over this one, and one of these days, it may reach the point where everybody's had enough of him.

Highly unlikely. He's just doing what everyone else does. It's just more noticeable to us.

When you want to buy something expensive that doesn't come with a fixed asking price you put in an offer below your valuation to give you room to negotiate. Buying PL players these days requires the player to do his part as well. It's just how the game works. Even Jon Walters handed in a transfer request at Stoke ffs.

We (and everyone else) will have to look abroad more in the future. Poch asked for players with PL experience this window, but we got lucky that Alderweireld didn't belong to a PL club. You can't hope to fill more than one or two positions with these players before you're out of spending money.

 

[parklane1]

Same goes for every chairman out there. They all have their ways of doing things, whether it all happens in public or not, and anyone who is universally liked by other clubs isn't doing his job properly.

Liverpool tapping up Keane. ManU, Real and Chel53a have all screwed us over. The first two by going in with low offers and unsettling our players before finally caving to our demands towards the end of the window (sound familiar?). We could have told them to do one on deadline day, but you have to consider the fallout.

Agree with this, Levy is no different then any other chairman over transfers. We take more notice because he is chairman of our club that's why. Its also a way those who want to dig at Levy to do so ( imo).

 

[indianspur]

WBA director of football administration gives insight into Berahino saga
............................................

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/spo...west-bromwich-albion-official-gives-10016963?

West Bromwich Albion's Richard Garlick has given a detailed explanation of how the Saido Berahino saga played out from the Baggies point of view.

Speaking at a meeting of the Albion Assembly fans group, Garlick tried to provide insight into the transfer wrangle with Tottenham Hotspur.

Albion's director of football administration confirmed that the fee and payment structure Spurs offered for Berahino was 'way off the mark'.

He also revealed that the 22-year-old striker conducted his own negotiations with him and chairman Jeremy Peace rather than using an agent.

Albion rejected four bids from the White Hart Lane club and Garlick said the final two offers on transfer deadline day last week would not have allowed the club sufficient time to bring in a replacement, even if Tottenham's terms had been acceptable.

Here's the full transcript of Garlick on Berahino

An ambitious man who wants to push on. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that
There's a lot of media speculation surrounding it because of the way in which it's ended rather than the way in which it's kind of being conducted. The club's position is that it didn't want to sell Saido.

He's got two years left on his contract.

He's scored a lot of goals for us in the last two years. Certainly last season his goals helped to keep us where we are in the Premier League

He's a young player that's been at the club probably around 12 years. We've put a lot of time and effort and investment into him. Saido's an ambitious man who wants to push on and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that at all.

I had one enquiry from a club I won't name right at the start of June
He came back from England under-21s and the Euros with an injury.

He missed the first part of the pre-season and didn't go out to Austria and therefore had been working his way back to fitness and had got himself back in there.

We had... there was a lot of press speculation a lot of rumours about what was going to happen, somebody was going to come in this club was going to come in that club was going to come in.

I had one enquiry from a club who I won't name right at the start of June, just generally asking what the plans were with him, but no offers just a general chit chat like often happens and that was it.

There was an official offer from Tottenham which was not acceptable, was way off the mark, was just rejected out of hand
Then around mid August the chairman was speaking to Tottenham about (Federico) Fazio about that deal which had been ongoing for about two weeks and had been progressing.

And there was a question asked about Berahino about his availability to which the chairman said that we weren't interested in selling him.

Three days later there was an official offer from Tottenham which was not acceptable was way off the mark was just rejected out of hand. At the same time that that offer came in there was a transfer request put in by the player.

I suppose you can read into the timing what you want in relation to the bid coming in and the transfer request on the same day.

Again that was rejected and Saido was told that he wouldn't be leaving. There was then a further offer a week later which again was way way off the mark, not only in terms of the amount but also in terms of the payment structure.

Then that was it there was lots of too-ing and fro-ing conversations taking place and then it wasn't until deadline day that we received a third offer in the morning and then a final offer in the mid afternoon.

By which stage nether was the offer or the structure acceptable and we were completely left without being able to get a replacement in for a player. That was it really as far as the club was concerned.

He hasn't got, at the moment, a representative as such that is acting on his behalf
Obviously Saido spoke to me, he spoke to the chairman. Made it quite... as it got towards the end was asking what was happening. He hasn't got, at the moment, a representative as such that is acting on his behalf.

You don't know behind the scenes but his official representative was no longer acting for him. There was just direct conversations with ourselves.

At the end of the day Saido's got two years left. We all know that every player in the world has a price, but if you don't want to sell something you don't necessarily put a price on it.

If you want to sell your house, you'd say what the price is because you want people to buy it.

If you don't want to sell your house then someone's got to make you an offer that you think... 'Oh, I'm interested, but that didn't happen.'

In a nutshell, that's it. Obviously then Saido tweeted what he tweeted and he was given an extended leave of absence just for things to settle down and for everybody to reflect where we are.

Every player's got a price and if the price is right then you can use that money but you can't do it with six hours to go

There were no replacements available, there were other players...

Listen we weren't sat there.... we were preparing for different possible eventualities because it would be remiss of us not to do that.

But as it clocked down and got to the final day your hands are tied and then you start doing deals that aren't right for the club.

Every player's got a price and if the price is right then you can use that money but you can't do it with six hours to go. We didn't ever want to be in the situation like we have in the past where we've done deals on the last day because it's not good for the club.

It's not simply going into a shop and and getting it off the shelf because it just doesn't work like that.
Players do have to go out to fund them coming in and, if Saido had gone out, there would have been some surplus cash.

But when you're being offered two pound fifty (payment structure) in a year you can't spend it because another club down the road who you're trying to buy their best player won't do it, the same deal.

So they have to match up. It's not simply going into a shop and going I've got some money in my pocket I'll have that one and getting it off the shelf because it just doesn't work like that.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Seeing as they had already bought the strikers to replace him makes your point mute.

Pullis wouldn't have used the money to bring in a replacement striker, he would've wanted to use the money to bring reinforcements elsewhere. With no time to spend the money, they might as well keep the player and go again in January.

 

[Finney Is Back]

But they had no time to spend the 25m, so peace thought I may as well keep him and if his goals keep us up then even if his value drops by 15m in a year, I would have done the right thing.

His value won't drop by £15 million anyway....

In January I would've thought WBA could sell him for no less than what we offered on 1st Sept.... So if he scores even 3 or 4 goals between now and then they have done brilliant business in keeping him. In the Summer with one year left I would imagine that there would still be clubs prepared to pay 17 or 18 million for him. And of course there is also the possibility of them getting him to sign a new deal in the meantime.

 

[Finney Is Back]

If you read my post you would see I was replying to someone who said it was to late to spend the money we offered, seeing as they had already bought two strikers there was no need to buy a replacement for him.

If think it is you who is missing the point here.... It wasn't about WBA buying a replacement for Berahino, it was about them being able to use the money to strengthen other positions in the squad. With no time in the transfer window left for them to do this there was absolutely no point in losing one of their best players simply to have some money sitting in a bank account for 4 months that they couldn't use, they might as well instead keep the player and benefit from the goals that he will get them.

 

[Finney Is Back]

WBA director of football administration gives insight into Berahino saga
............................................

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/spo...west-bromwich-albion-official-gives-10016963?

West Bromwich Albion's Richard Garlick has given a detailed explanation of how the Saido Berahino saga played out from the Baggies point of view.

Speaking at a meeting of the Albion Assembly fans group, Garlick tried to provide insight into the transfer wrangle with Tottenham Hotspur.

Albion's director of football administration confirmed that the fee and payment structure Spurs offered for Berahino was 'way off the mark'.

He also revealed that the 22-year-old striker conducted his own negotiations with him and chairman Jeremy Peace rather than using an agent.

Albion rejected four bids from the White Hart Lane club and Garlick said the final two offers on transfer deadline day last week would not have allowed the club sufficient time to bring in a replacement, even if Tottenham's terms had been acceptable.

Here's the full transcript of Garlick on Berahino

An ambitious man who wants to push on. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that
There's a lot of media speculation surrounding it because of the way in which it's ended rather than the way in which it's kind of being conducted. The club's position is that it didn't want to sell Saido.

He's got two years left on his contract.

He's scored a lot of goals for us in the last two years. Certainly last season his goals helped to keep us where we are in the Premier League

He's a young player that's been at the club probably around 12 years. We've put a lot of time and effort and investment into him. Saido's an ambitious man who wants to push on and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that at all.

I had one enquiry from a club I won't name right at the start of June
He came back from England under-21s and the Euros with an injury.

He missed the first part of the pre-season and didn't go out to Austria and therefore had been working his way back to fitness and had got himself back in there.

We had... there was a lot of press speculation a lot of rumours about what was going to happen, somebody was going to come in this club was going to come in that club was going to come in.

I had one enquiry from a club who I won't name right at the start of June, just generally asking what the plans were with him, but no offers just a general chit chat like often happens and that was it.

There was an official offer from Tottenham which was not acceptable, was way off the mark, was just rejected out of hand
Then around mid August the chairman was speaking to Tottenham about (Federico) Fazio about that deal which had been ongoing for about two weeks and had been progressing.

And there was a question asked about Berahino about his availability to which the chairman said that we weren't interested in selling him.

Three days later there was an official offer from Tottenham which was not acceptable was way off the mark was just rejected out of hand. At the same time that that offer came in there was a transfer request put in by the player.

I suppose you can read into the timing what you want in relation to the bid coming in and the transfer request on the same day.

Again that was rejected and Saido was told that he wouldn't be leaving. There was then a further offer a week later which again was way way off the mark, not only in terms of the amount but also in terms of the payment structure.

Then that was it there was lots of too-ing and fro-ing conversations taking place and then it wasn't until deadline day that we received a third offer in the morning and then a final offer in the mid afternoon.

By which stage nether was the offer or the structure acceptable and we were completely left without being able to get a replacement in for a player. That was it really as far as the club was concerned.

He hasn't got, at the moment, a representative as such that is acting on his behalf
Obviously Saido spoke to me, he spoke to the chairman. Made it quite... as it got towards the end was asking what was happening. He hasn't got, at the moment, a representative as such that is acting on his behalf.

You don't know behind the scenes but his official representative was no longer acting for him. There was just direct conversations with ourselves.

At the end of the day Saido's got two years left. We all know that every player in the world has a price, but if you don't want to sell something you don't necessarily put a price on it.

If you want to sell your house, you'd say what the price is because you want people to buy it.

If you don't want to sell your house then someone's got to make you an offer that you think... 'Oh, I'm interested, but that didn't happen.'

In a nutshell, that's it. Obviously then Saido tweeted what he tweeted and he was given an extended leave of absence just for things to settle down and for everybody to reflect where we are.

Every player's got a price and if the price is right then you can use that money but you can't do it with six hours to go

There were no replacements available, there were other players...

Listen we weren't sat there.... we were preparing for different possible eventualities because it would be remiss of us not to do that.

But as it clocked down and got to the final day your hands are tied and then you start doing deals that aren't right for the club.

Every player's got a price and if the price is right then you can use that money but you can't do it with six hours to go. We didn't ever want to be in the situation like we have in the past where we've done deals on the last day because it's not good for the club.

It's not simply going into a shop and and getting it off the shelf because it just doesn't work like that.
Players do have to go out to fund them coming in and, if Saido had gone out, there would have been some surplus cash.

But when you're being offered two pound fifty (payment structure) in a year you can't spend it because another club down the road who you're trying to buy their best player won't do it, the same deal.

So they have to match up. It's not simply going into a shop and going I've got some money in my pocket I'll have that one and getting it off the shelf because it just doesn't work like that.

And there we have it.... Deal was there to be done but we messed it up by going in too stingy early on and then too late in the end. Clear that Levy lost this battle (and I think we have hung the player out to dry a little as well).

 

[Hashegotthesackyet?]

Agree with this, Levy is no different then any other chairman over transfers. We take more notice because he is chairman of our club that's why. Its also a way those who want to dig at Levy to do so ( imo).

Levy has become notorious for being "perceived" as being hard to deal with, a tough negotiator, ackward etc. This isn't just limited to Spurs fans, this is fuelled by the press, but if you also asked a number of different fans, on what chairman they dislike the most, I bet Levy would be up there.
A tough negotiator could be seen as a positive, but IMO, there are too many other negative attributes that are seen. This would include other Chairman, I bet a few of them also talk to each other.
Agree with Mudshark, can't see it happening, and think Peace will see to that. Especially as it's become so public, and all seems to be based on saving face.

 

[billyiddo]

And there we have it.... Deal was there to be done but we messed it up by going in too stingy early on and then too late in the end. Clear that Levy lost this battle (and I think we have hung the player out to dry a little as well).

We made our offer(s) and WBA didn't accept it(them) hardly crime of the century, it's only because West Brom have made this a circus that it's become such a saga... It seems the attitude among Spurs fans is if we don't get the player it's a fudge up on our part, which is a bit silly, especially if we're working on a tight budget whilst the stadium is being built and have to be creative with our bidding. We're under as much obligation to pay what WBA want for a player as they are to accept any offer we put forward, but those with a natural disposition to blame Levy will do so regardless

 

[glasgowspur]

And there we have it.... Deal was there to be done but we messed it up by going in too stingy early on and then too late in the end. Clear that Levy lost this battle (and I think we have hung the player out to dry a little as well).

Where does it say that? You can't go in and say we'll give you £35m, agreed! No make it £30m.
WBA are contradicting themselves, not for sale, that offers not enough. Either he's for sale so up your offer, or he's not, fudge off.
They've made a pigs ear out of this and are covering themselves. No time to spend the money. Well name a price when approached TWO WEEKS before the window closes. Or if your squad needs strengthening don't spend all your money on 4 Cfs.

 

[Baleforce]

WBA director of football administration gives insight into Berahino saga
............................................

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/spo...west-bromwich-albion-official-gives-10016963?

West Bromwich Albion's Richard Garlick has given a detailed explanation of how the Saido Berahino saga played out from the Baggies point of view.

Speaking at a meeting of the Albion Assembly fans group, Garlick tried to provide insight into the transfer wrangle with Tottenham Hotspur.

Albion's director of football administration confirmed that the fee and payment structure Spurs offered for Berahino was 'way off the mark'.

He also revealed that the 22-year-old striker conducted his own negotiations with him and chairman Jeremy Peace rather than using an agent.

Albion rejected four bids from the White Hart Lane club and Garlick said the final two offers on transfer deadline day last week would not have allowed the club sufficient time to bring in a replacement, even if Tottenham's terms had been acceptable.

Here's the full transcript of Garlick on Berahino

An ambitious man who wants to push on. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that
There's a lot of media speculation surrounding it because of the way in which it's ended rather than the way in which it's kind of being conducted. The club's position is that it didn't want to sell Saido.

He's got two years left on his contract.

He's scored a lot of goals for us in the last two years. Certainly last season his goals helped to keep us where we are in the Premier League

He's a young player that's been at the club probably around 12 years. We've put a lot of time and effort and investment into him. Saido's an ambitious man who wants to push on and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that at all.

I had one enquiry from a club I won't name right at the start of June
He came back from England under-21s and the Euros with an injury.

He missed the first part of the pre-season and didn't go out to Austria and therefore had been working his way back to fitness and had got himself back in there.

We had... there was a lot of press speculation a lot of rumours about what was going to happen, somebody was going to come in this club was going to come in that club was going to come in.

I had one enquiry from a club who I won't name right at the start of June, just generally asking what the plans were with him, but no offers just a general chit chat like often happens and that was it.

There was an official offer from Tottenham which was not acceptable, was way off the mark, was just rejected out of hand
Then around mid August the chairman was speaking to Tottenham about (Federico) Fazio about that deal which had been ongoing for about two weeks and had been progressing.

And there was a question asked about Berahino about his availability to which the chairman said that we weren't interested in selling him.

Three days later there was an official offer from Tottenham which was not acceptable was way off the mark was just rejected out of hand. At the same time that that offer came in there was a transfer request put in by the player.

I suppose you can read into the timing what you want in relation to the bid coming in and the transfer request on the same day.

Again that was rejected and Saido was told that he wouldn't be leaving. There was then a further offer a week later which again was way way off the mark, not only in terms of the amount but also in terms of the payment structure.

Then that was it there was lots of too-ing and fro-ing conversations taking place and then it wasn't until deadline day that we received a third offer in the morning and then a final offer in the mid afternoon.

By which stage nether was the offer or the structure acceptable and we were completely left without being able to get a replacement in for a player. That was it really as far as the club was concerned.

He hasn't got, at the moment, a representative as such that is acting on his behalf
Obviously Saido spoke to me, he spoke to the chairman. Made it quite... as it got towards the end was asking what was happening. He hasn't got, at the moment, a representative as such that is acting on his behalf.

You don't know behind the scenes but his official representative was no longer acting for him. There was just direct conversations with ourselves.

At the end of the day Saido's got two years left. We all know that every player in the world has a price, but if you don't want to sell something you don't necessarily put a price on it.

If you want to sell your house, you'd say what the price is because you want people to buy it.

If you don't want to sell your house then someone's got to make you an offer that you think... 'Oh, I'm interested, but that didn't happen.'

In a nutshell, that's it. Obviously then Saido tweeted what he tweeted and he was given an extended leave of absence just for things to settle down and for everybody to reflect where we are.

Every player's got a price and if the price is right then you can use that money but you can't do it with six hours to go

There were no replacements available, there were other players...

Listen we weren't sat there.... we were preparing for different possible eventualities because it would be remiss of us not to do that.

But as it clocked down and got to the final day your hands are tied and then you start doing deals that aren't right for the club.

Every player's got a price and if the price is right then you can use that money but you can't do it with six hours to go. We didn't ever want to be in the situation like we have in the past where we've done deals on the last day because it's not good for the club.

It's not simply going into a shop and and getting it off the shelf because it just doesn't work like that.
Players do have to go out to fund them coming in and, if Saido had gone out, there would have been some surplus cash.

But when you're being offered two pound fifty (payment structure) in a year you can't spend it because another club down the road who you're trying to buy their best player won't do it, the same deal.

So they have to match up. It's not simply going into a shop and going I've got some money in my pocket I'll have that one and getting it off the shelf because it just doesn't work like that.

what a load of waffle

 

[StephenH]

And there we have it.... Deal was there to be done but we messed it up by going in too stingy early on and then too late in the end. Clear that Levy lost this battle (and I think we have hung the player out to dry a little as well).

Standard negotiated tactic I'm afraid happen throughout commerce not just football players. Its why written bids are a good idea but they are slow. I once saved £10k on a office because I bid very late. (Office sold for mega bucks about 5 years ago. Shame I didn't hang on to it)

WBA are just playing to their fans and those disaffected Spurs numpties

 

[billyiddo]

Where does it say that? You can't go in and say we'll give you £35m, agreed! No make it £30m.
WBA are contradicting themselves, not for sale, that offers not enough. Either he's for sale so up your offer, or he's not, fudge off.
They've made a pigs ear out of this and are covering themselves. No time to spend the money. Well name a price when approached TWO WEEKS before the window closes. Or if your squad needs strengthening don't spend all your money on 4 Cfs.

It just screams of them trying to make themselves look better imv - if they didn't want to sell why are they upset that they couldn't reach an agreement? If they did want to sell, why were they playing it out in the open?
Personally if I was another chairman it'd be Peace and WBA who is think have come out of this the worse, fudge getting involved in one of their circuses

 

[StephenH]

Bet if we had offered a City type bid say £30m 'ish they would have found the time to get the transfer done!

 

[mudshark]

Agree with this, Levy is no different then any other chairman over transfers. We take more notice because he is chairman of our club that's why. Its also a way those who want to dig at Levy to do so ( imo).

Fergie says hi, and begs to differ, so I'll leave you to argue that one with him