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Ange departs

Ange departs.

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Disgraceful decision tbh. 5th first season. Our first European trophy after prioritising Europe in his 2nd.

In the two weeks since the EL Final, Levy said nothing, no comment whatsoever.

That should have told everyone what was going to happen, inevitable.

Now the club statement has made it clear, our form in the PL was unacceptable and rightly so.

Great winning the EL and CL footie, but is was truly just papering of the cracks of our worst league form on nearly a century.

No manager of any club would survive that.
 
Whist i agree with the outcome they way in which the club has handled this is abhorrent. If it was the overall performance that was the issue, then why didn't you sack him weeks/months ago!?

The club used him. Then threw him out like a used condom.

The board are utter clams for the way they have done this. Dispicable.

I hope we get relegated

The club made a professional statement that made it clear why Ange was sacked. The reason was made clear, and one that Ange knew was a major concern throughout the season.

He was not "used" by the club, he was paid a large salary allegedly five million pounds a season, with a huge bonus for winning the EL.

He wasn't thrown out on the street, penniless was he?

The Board collectively made this decision, and I am amazed that you appear surprised. Levy said nothing over the past two weeks and that should have told everyone what they needed to know.

As for you wanting Spurs relegated, to be honest that sums up the kind of supporter you are.

Self entitled.
 
The club made a professional statement that made it clear why Ange was sacked. The reason was made clear, and one that Ange knew was a major concern throughout the season.

He was not "used" by the club, he was paid a large salary allegedly five million pounds a season, with a huge bonus for winning the EL.

He wasn't thrown out on the street, penniless was he?

The Board collectively made this decision, and I am amazed that you appear surprised. Levy said nothing over the past two weeks and that should have told everyone what they needed to know.

As for you wanting Spurs relegated, to be honest that sums up the kind of supporter you are.

Self entitled.

The game is no longer about glory, its about finishing top 4. If the league position was such an issue, why do it now, why not weeks/months ago? Instead Levy is happy to take £60 a ticket off people (me and my son included) every week for a product (the football) he knows is brick but did nothing about it.

The statement is full of contradictions and tells me everything about what the board prioritises are. We wont see another trophy for some time given the priorities the board has outlined.

As i stated, i think it is the correct decision.

My relegation comment can be taken as flippant but the general point i was making is we deserve what we get now.
 
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Agree with this from Oliver Holt:

Talk of the succession, of course, is already rife. Thomas Frank, who has done such a consistently brilliant job at Brentford and is one of the best man-managers in the game, is the favourite to take over. Andoni Iraola, the Bournemouth boss, has been mentioned. Others favour a return for former manager Mauricio Pochettino, now the coach of the USA men's national team.

It was a logical, cogent statement that took all the emotionof Bilbao out of the equation and in some ways it is easy to sympathise with the decision. After all, when Manchester United abandoned their plan to fire Erik ten Hag after he had led the club to an FA Cup final victory over Emirates Marketing Project, it backfired on them spectacularly and they were lambasted for the naivety of their decision.

This feels different, though. For one thing, United are a team used to winning things. Even in the context of the hard times they have fallen upon since the retirement of Sir Alex Ferguson, the FA Cup is a relative trifle compared to the bigger prizes they once chased.

But for Spurs, winning the Europa League in Bilbao felt like a game-changer. I have rarely felt energy like that in a stadium before, the energy of redemption, the energy of renewal and the energy of hope. It should have been the start of something, not the end of something.

Now that Postecoglou has been fired, it feels as if all that momentum and all that magic has been lost. Suddenly, the club have invited ridicule upon themselves again: they hired a manager who won them their first European trophy for 41 years and then they sacked him. It feels, I hate to say it, a little sexy.

It feels, again, like plucking a defeat from the jaws of victory. Because Postecoglou had done the hard part. Victory in Bilbao proved that he was not the impostor some had painted him as. Had Spurs kept faith with him, winning the Europa League would have given Postecoglou added authority next season, not to mention added funds.

United are hardly a model that one should aspire to but they did, at least, keep faith with Ruben Amorim after a league season almost as dire as Tottenham's. They believe in his plan and they are sticking with him. Spurs should have done the same with Big Ange.

Postecoglou had a plan, too. In the early months of his tenure, his team played football that was breathtaking to watch. That was derailed by injuries and it was not until last season's European adventure that Postecoglou proved he could adapt and play more pragmatically.

But he did prove that. He won a trophy to prove it. And next season he would have felt the benefits of all the hardships his side endured last season. He would have reaped the rewards of the experience he gave fine young players such as Archie Gray and Lucas Bergvall. He had a system, a plan. He should have been given a dividend from Spurs' participation in the Champions League to develop his ideas.

Instead, however good the manager is that Spurs appoint — and Frank, in particular, is a man who has earned a shot at managing in the Champions League — Spurs are heading back to that place they know so well called Square One with a new boss who has the unenviable task of trying to follow that success in Bilbao.

What the future holds for Postecoglou, nobody yet knows. For now, like the statue of Ozymandias that Percy Shelley described, he lies like a 'colossal wreck' in the desert of his hopes of building on that one beautiful night in northern Spain.
 
It's a shame, as when he started I wanted him to stay for at least 3 season regardless of ups ands downs. Then wanted him gone since last year.
Thankyou for cup and parade.....was amazing.

It's odd, cos I feel if he had managed to finish 13th. I think he would still even be here. Yes we bought in kids who are still watching teletubbies, and injuries. But some changes in approach in prem games may have seen him get to reason season 3. Howevertelyou spin it. Other teams have won all types of cups and not be relegation fodder. (Generally speaking)

Underwhelmed if it's Frank. But I let's see. What's funny is. Expensive managers didn't always who they want. Ange got more than most. And Whoever next manager is, will get what he is given. Maybe 2 or 3 players. And another kid better not be signed
 
Whist i agree with the outcome they way in which the club has handled this is abhorrent. If it was the overall performance that was the issue, then why didn't you sack him weeks/months ago!?

The club used him. Then threw him out like a used condom.

The board are utter clams for the way they have done this. Dispicable.

I hope we get relegated
What you don’t turn them inside out and go in again ?
 
Their total for last two seasons is 95 points so not sure where you're getting your info from. There's a table for Anges last 66 games and Brentford are one point above us (albeit for them 65 games)
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Got it from transfermarket but I thought I'd switched the fixtures to 23/24 but I ended up double counting this season! All I would say is Frank's trajectory is upwards (39 points last season, 56 this), whereas Postecoglu's total points total is not only extremely poor compared to other Spurs mamagers but his PPG has declined in each quarter of each of his 2 seasons with us from the quarter before. Not that Frank is an inspiring choice. He wouldn't be my no. 1 either.
 
He was a 'chancer' who got a trophy. The only ones who won't acknowledge that are fanatics.
The trophy was the same equivalent of a pre season tournament.

The ones over playing it's significance have just brought into what other fans have been saying and gotten upset by the 'nasty' words of opposition fans.

Last season was an abomination and even the trophy your so in awe of, we played bloody awful in that competition. That's who we were under the Aussie fraud.
 
The game is no longer about glory, its about finishing top 4. If the league position was such an issue, why do it now, why not weeks/months ago? Instead Levy is happy to take £60 a ticket off people (me and my son included) every week for a product (the football) he knows is brick but did nothing about it.

The statement is full of contradictions and tells me everything about what the board prioritises are. We wont see another trophy for some time given the priorities the board has outlined.

As i stated, i think it is the correct decision.

My relegation comment can be taken as flippant but the general point i was making is we deserve what we get now.
The statement is full of contradictions as the situation is full of contradictions.

You are having to make a decision over a head coach that has on the one hand delivered the club's first European trophy since 1984, only the 3rd in its history and champions league qualification.

On the other hand you're coming off the club's worst PL season in its history, finishing 17th, with the highest number of losses recorded by any team that wasnt relegated. And that comes off a very poor second half of the season before also.

I actually think in that context the statement is brilliant in its clarity of rationale:
- club wants to compete on multiple fronts and so trophy delivered by throwing the league isn't deemed acceptable.
- 78 points from 66 games shows it wasn't just a "this season" situation due to the injuries and prioritising the cup, its part of a longer term underperformance issue that has merely been exacerbated by this season's circumstances.
 
The statement is full of contradictions as the situation is full of contradictions.

You are having to make a decision over a head coach that has on the one hand delivered the club's first European trophy since 1984, only the 3rd in its history and champions league qualification.

On the other hand you're coming off the club's worst PL season in its history, finishing 17th, with the highest number of losses recorded by any team that wasnt relegated. And that comes off a very poor second half of the season before also.
It was said to death though after the EL win that Levy was now in an impossible situation. I'm not supportive of this decision and I will now be firmly in the Levy out camp going forwards, but the season was full of such massive contradictions that judging it was hard.

What should have happened and hasn't is that emotion, the life blood of football, should have been involved in making the decision. 100% involved. Because as a fan of the club he Levy should still be on cloud nine like the rest of us. This good will should have then enabled us to buy players across the summer that Ange wanted, in order to mount a campaign that would be able to handle 2 major competitions, and an injury rota aligned with the well documented demands modern players have to endure.

Now he has fan and player revolts on his hands, his already low popularity in the gutter and he's somehow managed to ruin the afterglow of a major European triumph for a club that doesn't get them very often.

This is the culmination of Levy's Tottenham. It's a microcosm of his stewardship, and it will define him. People now won't remember Ange winning us the pot, they will remember us being Spurs-y and sacking the guy who did it a fortnight later.


Levy out.
 
It was said to death though after the EL win that Levy was now in an impossible situation. I'm not supportive of this decision and I will now be firmly in the Levy out camp going forwards, but the season was full of such massive contradictions that judging it was hard.

What should have happened and hasn't is that emotion, the life blood of football, should have been involved in making the decision. 100% involved. Because as a fan of the club he Levy should still be on cloud nine like the rest of us. This good will should have then enabled us to buy players across the summer that Ange wanted, in order to mount a campaign that would be able to handle 2 major competitions, and an injury rota aligned with the well documented demands modern players have to endure.

Now he has fan and player revolts on his hands, his already low popularity in the gutter and he's somehow managed to ruin the afterglow of a major European triumph for a club that doesn't get them very often.

This is the culmination of Levy's Tottenham. It's a microcosm of his stewardship, and it will define him. People now won't remember Ange winning us the pot, they will remember us being Spurs-y and sacking the guy who did it a fortnight later.


Levy out.

If you’ve never been Levy out before, switching to that over what is clearly a very difficult decision is a tad strange. I’ve wanted Ange gone for a year or more, but I would have largely understood the rationale to keep him should that have been the choice.
 
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