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Harry Kane MBE

Good....as long as their withdrawal isn't because the injuries now look more serious. Need 1 or 2 of Kane, Winks and Dele back for the 18th
 
Would like Eriksen to do the same thing.

I do worry for Kane and the work rate a lone striker has to get through.

All clubs get injuries but I hope will are not going to ruin him. Really though only slight complaint against Poch is his lack of game time management.
 
This is just what the doctor ordered. Great time to be recuperating from a stressful, but mostly successful, opening to the season. In a month, we'll have a week off before starting another run of two game a week into the New Year. Our injured players need this break.
 
greatwhitenorf said:
This is just what the doctor ordered. Great time to be recuperating from a stressful, but mostly successful, opening to the season. In a month, we'll have a week off before starting another run of two game a week into the New Year. Our injured players need this break.
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This
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Would like Eriksen to do the same thing.

I do worry for Kane and the work rate a lone striker has to get through.

All clubs get injuries but I hope will are not going to ruin him. Really though only slight complaint against Poch is his lack of game time management.
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Lineker and Rio Ferdinand were talking about this after the Madrid game - specifically, they briefly discussed why Kane was taken off after 75-odd minutes, and Lineker asked if it might have been because of his recent injury.

Rio basically said that the sports scientists are now pretty advanced in terms of their predictive statistical models and proactive fitness management - so much so that they can reasonably predict the amount of minutes a player can play in any given game without risking an injury. Thus, Poch taking Kane off after 75 minutes would have been because the sports scientists and physios were telling him that he'd hit the maximum safe time he could play for.

Thus, I don't think Kane will be anywhere near as badly handled as, say, Wheelchair was. Wheelchair was played in game after game after barely breaking into the team, over and over again for the full ninety minutes - it was no surprise that he broke down so irrecoverably after being burnt out like that so early in his career. But sports science has advanced enough in the six-odd years since that time to make such a thing happening again at a top club fairly unlikely. Players' fitness levels are closely monitored (down to the use of lasers, drones and cameras tracking the number of individual sprints and jogs in any given game/training session) and red lines are set on their involvement if it risks stress or fatigue-related injuries.

I think Kane's recent spate of injuries are just bad luck, really. Poch does manage his players reasonably well in terms of fitness - he has to, because of the grim work he puts them through in training. Look at his ginger approach to using Dembele - Mousa never finishes games anymore because Poch hauls him off whenever (presumably) the fitness people tell him that Mousa's race is run in any given game. I think that's down to our improved use of sports science, which is a trend across the PL, really.
 
Bullet said:
Is this true?
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https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zQ0VK2VPz8o/maxresdefault.jpg

That's from Napoli's drone, recording pre-season training.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/11/23/21/3AB0DA9E00000578-3965936-image-a-17_1479935648858.jpg

That's Clermont Auvergne's drone during mid-week training.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/14/17/4257DC6B00000578-4697430-image-a-15_1500050007477.jpg

Here's Harry using lasers to measure reflexes (I think).

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017...e_season_tests_at_Spur-m-19_1500558304492.jpg

Here's Dele doing the same.

Edit: Here's a Graun article on Swansea's pre-season training that goes into detail on how they use everything from drones and GPS data to statistical analysis, 'Nordbords' (hamstring test machines), and empty cubes to sleep in.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/jul/21/swansea-city-garry-monk-pre-season-fitness
 
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Oh, I thought you meant lasers, drones and cameras to track the numbers of sprints and jogs. Not to measure reflexes and see which parts of the session worked well.

I think they use the heartrate monitors and GPS trackers in games and training sessions to track the numbers of sprints and jogs.
 
Bullet said:
Oh, I thought you meant lasers, drones and cameras to track the numbers of sprints and jogs. Not to measure reflexes and see which parts of the session worked well.

I think they use the heartrate monitors and GPS trackers in games and training sessions to track the numbers of sprints and jogs.
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Oh, no, I meant drones and lasers were used to track the aforementioned general fitness levels, along with *cameras* being used to track sprints and jogs. Bit unclear on my end, sorry. I agree, they also use GPS trackers and the electronics in those sports bra-type things to track stuff like that - at least, as far as I know.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Lineker and Rio Ferdinand were talking about this after the Madrid game - specifically, they briefly discussed why Kane was taken off after 75-odd minutes, and Lineker asked if it might have been because of his recent injury.

Rio basically said that the sports scientists are now pretty advanced in terms of their predictive statistical models and proactive fitness management - so much so that they can reasonably predict the amount of minutes a player can play in any given game without risking an injury. Thus, Poch taking Kane off after 75 minutes would have been because the sports scientists and physios were telling him that he'd hit the maximum safe time he could play for.

Thus, I don't think Kane will be anywhere near as badly handled as, say, Wheelchair was. Wheelchair was played in game after game after barely breaking into the team, over and over again for the full ninety minutes - it was no surprise that he broke down so irrecoverably after being burnt out like that so early in his career. But sports science has advanced enough in the six-odd years since that time to make such a thing happening again at a top club fairly unlikely. Players' fitness levels are closely monitored (down to the use of lasers, drones and cameras tracking the number of individual sprints and jogs in any given game/training session) and red lines are set on their involvement if it risks stress or fatigue-related injuries.

I think Kane's recent spate of injuries are just bad luck, really. Poch does manage his players reasonably well in terms of fitness - he has to, because of the grim work he puts them through in training. Look at his ginger approach to using Dembele - Mousa never finishes games anymore because Poch hauls him off whenever (presumably) the fitness people tell him that Mousa's race is run in any given game. I think that's down to our improved use of sports science, which is a trend across the PL, really.
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can't believe that arsenal doesn't use sports science; its probably that wheelchair defies all logic
 
just wondering which young player we could buy that resembles kane the most - not the fastest but hardworking, holds the ball up well, good driving shots. seems like very basic attributes but i can't think of someone close. would be a useful sub (without the same goal rate expectation). any suggestions?
 
metalgear said:
just wondering which young player we could buy that resembles kane the most - not the fastest but hardworking, holds the ball up well, good driving shots. seems like very basic attributes but i can't think of someone close. would be a useful sub (without the same goal rate expectation). any suggestions?
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Someone none of us have heard off. Timo Werner 2 seasons ago type player. We were linked woth him, i wanted Augstin in the summer when he left PSG. The is someone out there we are after but have never heard of.
 
metalgear said:
just wondering which young player we could buy that resembles kane the most - not the fastest but hardworking, holds the ball up well, good driving shots. seems like very basic attributes but i can't think of someone close. would be a useful sub (without the same goal rate expectation). any suggestions?
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V Jansen?
 
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