Would be good if we can get this wrapped up without it becoming acrimonious given that, with their youth system and ability to develop players, we might want to buy other players from them in future. I'd also think about trying to loan out one or two fringe players (e.g. GKN) to them to improve the relationship and help develop some of our group
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Davinson Sanchez
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Dr Rosenrosen
Ramon Vega
Of course they wouldn't, per se. I wasn't attempting to predict his "chance of success" based on his nationality, it was an observation that in 135 years, the club, for whatever reason, has had a relatively small number of players from one of the world's top footballing regions.
That being said, we always tend to look for precedents - players from XYZ F.C. tend to play a certain way, players from Country ABC haven't tended to integrate well into the Premier League, players coming from Serie A into the Premier League have or haven't done well, etc., though of course it's logically true that no past players are predictors of the success of future players.
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Terry Dyson
Obligatory airport photo incoming. Spotted at Schiphol wearing a Spurs top! It's getting closer!
Brilliant! Love it!
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milo
Jack L. Jones
I don't think that you can do that. Each player is different, the club is in a different place than it has ever been before, South America is a huge place and there are massive differences between the countries. I don't wish to be rude but I think that it is lazy thinking to make generalisations about a player's chance of success based on their nationality.
Bedfordspurs
Arthur Rowe
Had lunch with a sales director today... united fan but good lad
We were taking about footy and he said he wished united went in for the "big black lad" who played for Ajax against them "he was a beast and so comfortable on the ball"
He is also a qualified coach and an ex semi pro player
When I said we were after him he was genuinely gutted
Nice to see fans of other sides a bit envious of a potential Spurs signing
We were taking about footy and he said he wished united went in for the "big black lad" who played for Ajax against them "he was a beast and so comfortable on the ball"
He is also a qualified coach and an ex semi pro player
When I said we were after him he was genuinely gutted
Nice to see fans of other sides a bit envious of a potential Spurs signing
glasgowspur
Nayim
Ossie and Ricky did alright.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
Why did you discount Argentinians? What is that excludes them from being South American?
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Jimmy McCormick
5 year deal agreed with the player. No deal with Ajax yet.
Whilst transfer fees are a thing clubs will want a guaranteed length of service
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Showing commitment to the club you're at is a positive factor. Ensuring that if you develop beyond the short term ambitions of the club the club can at least get properly compensated. Working under top managers at big clubs is a privilege you usually don't get without being willing to show that commitment.
It's often not actually really a 5 year commitment. At Spurs 2 years left on your contact is usually a time for renegotiating, with a pay bump if you've earned it. Not reaching a deal at that point mean it's the time to sell (see Carrick, Berbarov).
Modric signed a 6 year contract with us. Having signed a 10 year contract in Croatia at one point iirc. He's at Real none the less. No more hard feelings than RvP or Adebayor forcing their way out from our neighbor's place with less left on their contracts. High profile transfers will cause hard feelings regardless. Even more if the selling club can't get a proper financial compensation imo.
Olle73
Jason Dozzell
Showing "commitment to the club" can change within months, something that have been seen lately (VVD, Coutinho, and maybe even Rose). What´s the point with a long contract if you are not sure what you think about it half way through it? You know that club has all the aces if you want to leave, regardless how much you "cry".
"It's often not actually really a 5 year commitment." It is, unless both parties agree that is isn't. Again, we have seen lately players having problem to accecpt what they actually have committed themself to. If the club dosen't want to sell, the player will remain. End of.
"Not reaching a deal at that point mean it's the time to sell (see Carrick, Berbarov)." Yes, if someone whats to buy (at the right price) and if the players wants to leave (to that buyer and maybe taking a cut). A contract is a comittment ifor both parties and a player have the right to reamin the whole lenght of it, regardless what the clubs think about it. (Like Ade)
The only winner in the world of long term contracts are the agents. Neither the club nor the player can predict their respective situation in 5 years.
"It's often not actually really a 5 year commitment." It is, unless both parties agree that is isn't. Again, we have seen lately players having problem to accecpt what they actually have committed themself to. If the club dosen't want to sell, the player will remain. End of.
"Not reaching a deal at that point mean it's the time to sell (see Carrick, Berbarov)." Yes, if someone whats to buy (at the right price) and if the players wants to leave (to that buyer and maybe taking a cut). A contract is a comittment ifor both parties and a player have the right to reamin the whole lenght of it, regardless what the clubs think about it. (Like Ade)
The only winner in the world of long term contracts are the agents. Neither the club nor the player can predict their respective situation in 5 years.
SpurMeUp
Jimmy Cantrell
They want more than we're offering. We're offering 40m Euros they want 50m Euros. Now you have to play a longer game. The player doesn't want to play for them. So they should budge and hopefully we'll make some small concessions. For the selling club, they also use the time between bids to see who they can sign with the funds. There is no rush for them.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Wait, what? Surely the agents would want shorter contacts and more frequent transfers where they get a cut of the transfer fee every time? You say the club holds all the aces with a long contact, isn't that good for the club?
You say that commitments can change in one paragraph, in the next you say a 5 year contract really is a 5 year commitment... I don't get it.
I don't think it's helpful to think of this in quite as black and white terms. On paper it's a 5 year commitment, and in theory either party can hold the other to that. But in practice it's much more flexible than that and I think it's better to understand this in the way it's being applied in reality rather than by the letters of the contact.
What a long contact does is shift power towards the club in future negotiations (both contact renewals and transfers). That is a commitment by the player to the club, though it's not really a "I will stay here happily for 5 years commitment". It's committing to the club by giving them that power. If a big bid comes in it makes it harder for the player to force a move and makes it less likely the club has to sell for a discounted fee.
Vega
Neil Sullivan
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Spurs are offering Ajax €40m for Davinson Sanchez according to @telegraaf, but Ajax want €50m. Personal terms already agreed.
Every report i have seen the amount Ajax want keeps going up. Is Levy being Levy'd?
Spurs are offering Ajax €40m for Davinson Sanchez according to @telegraaf, but Ajax want €50m. Personal terms already agreed.
Every report i have seen the amount Ajax want keeps going up. Is Levy being Levy'd?
Olle73
Jason Dozzell
A contract can only be cancelled if both parties agree to it. So a 5 year contract really is a 5 year commitment until both agree that it isn't. And that can happen in one paragrah.
I agree that the club hold all the aces with long contract (expect from fact that the club must deal with striking players, maybe creating a bad enviroment in the team), so why do the player and his representative agree to a long contract? It has to do with the agents, convincing the player that he, at any time, can work his way out of the contract just playing a bad guy. But what we have seen lately is that the clubs are withstanding such type of "treats".
Signing a 10 years contract if you don't know if you can work yourself out if somewhere on the way? That´s madness!
I thought I'd read somewhere that we'd offered €35m including add-ons, but they wanted €40m. If they really do want €50m for a CB who has never played in a major league, it feels like its time to focus on other targets
braineclipse
Willie Hall
So it really is a 5 year commitment. Except if it's not. Though sometimes it is.
I prefer my description.
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Serge Aurier
Of all the Youtube videos I have seen of players, this is one of the best. He really looks like he hasnt got many or any weaknesses at all. He can, tackle, header, shoot, pass and take on players. We need to get him in, and fast!