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milo said:
It's not project fear anymore, it's the economy and our government making a balls up of it
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Its still completely subjective. The customs union is the risk-averse low-reward status-quo. It's tying ourselves still to the stagnating 15%. Leaving the customs union means removing the disincentives to the more dynamic upwardly mobile 85% and re-engaging much more with them.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Its still completely subjective. The customs union is the risk-averse low-reward status-quo. It's tying ourselves still to the stagnating 15%. Leaving the customs union means removing the disincentives to the more dynamic upwardly mobile 85% and re-engaging much more with them.
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It is not subjective, the economy is going arse over tit. I'm willing to listen to what you are proposing but you need to back it up with some evidence. At the moment your views on life outside the EU/customs union feel a bit like you championing the next south American wonder kid.
 
Hotshot-Tottenham said:
A fun take on Project Fear:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/03/tinkerbell-theory-politics-failures-my-lack-belief?amp
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I prefer what the leaders of some of the eastern european countries were saying recently about France and Germany wanting the EU to take control of taxes after Brexit. Will get the quotes when i get home am out with my son at the moment.

Also the EU army we were told would not happen is now back on the agenda, another lie from project fear.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
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I thought the rules were to moan and undermine the public till you got your own way.
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But there's also no rule to say that all debate must stop post-vote.

We should absolutely carry on debating this and putting on pressure where necessary, especially if transpires that the route we're about go down is increasingly revealed to be damaging.

Or do we throw good money after bad? Carry on regardless, just say "well, that's that, can't be helped"?

It's time open our eyes. Boris, Gove, Farage, Fox and the rest sold us down the river.

We have no government, a lame duck leader, seemingly no plan and about 18 months to sort it out.

We shouldn't silently accept it.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
I prefer what the leaders of some of the eastern european countries were saying recently about France and Germany wanting the EU to take control of taxes after Brexit. Will get the quotes when i get home am out with my son at the moment.

Also the EU army we were told would not happen is now back on the agenda, another lie from project fear.
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I'm more concerned with dealing with the here and now - literally starting with tomorrow - and how we navigate through this mess.
 
milo said:
It is not subjective, the economy is going arse over tit. I'm willing to listen to what you are proposing but you need to back it up with some evidence. At the moment your views on life outside the EU/customs union feel a bit like you championing the next south American wonder kid.
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Were as staying in them is like condemning yourself to a life of Sissoko - based mainly on the argument that he probably can't get any worse and he was once sort of good for other people.

Anyway I watched Kier Starmer on Andrew Marr earlier and his line on the negotiations was again exactly the same as Davis' (free trade agreement cf single market etc). The only cigarette paper between them is he said he'd have a more constructive tone than May (not necessarily Davis) and that he wants some sort of permanent enshrinement of current workers' rights in the Great Repeal Act (so they can't be eroded at a later time)
 
Gutter Boy said:
Were as staying in them is like condemning yourself to a life of Sissoko - based mainly on the argument that he probably can't get any worse and he was once sort of good for other people.

Anyway I watched Kier Starmer on Andrew Marr earlier and his line on the negotiations was again exactly the same as Davis' (free trade agreement cf single market etc). The only cigarette paper between them is he said he'd have a more constructive tone than May (not necessarily Davis) and that he wants some sort of permanent enshrinement of current workers' rights in the Great Repeal Act (so they can't be eroded at a later time)
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Both the Tories and Labour's line on Brexit is unachievable. Have cake and eat it is ridiculous.

Do you have any evidence that jumping off a cliff will be good for the economy?
 
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