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milo said:
She's said very little about what her vision of Brexit and our future relationship with the EU is. I doubt that she will want to elaborate on this during the election campaign either.
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No ECJ, no single market membership, no customs union, no freedom of movement, but instead a comprehensive trade agreement (CETA with more on services) and more global engagement. I'm not sure how clearer you can get.

I'm a liberal leaver who has always had a particular dislike of May (particularly the students in migration figures debacle). But I see a vote for them as the best chance of Brexit not being betrayed.

I trust, particularly David Davis, to deliver it.
 
Gutter Boy said:
No ECJ, no single market membership, no customs union, no freedom of movement, but instead a comprehensive trade agreement (CETA with more on services) and more global engagement. I'm not sure how clearer you can get.
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The ECJ and freedom of movement lines have been backtracked on, at least during a transition period. If we want a comprehensive trade agreement, that includes services, then the reality is that some form of freedom of movement, contributions to the EU budget, the UK complying with EU regulations and being subject to EU law will continue.

She hasn't said no to the customs union, she has said that it isn't a binary choice, suggesting that she wants elements of it. How open the EU are to letting us pick and choose on that is yet to be seen.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I trust, particularly David Davis, to deliver it.
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I would agree that Davis is the best of a bad bunch but it is hard to ignore that the other two are incompetent. Davis has also frequently got the basics of international trade and our relationship with the EU wrong but has got better of late. What I find particularly worrying are reports that only companies that support the government's line on Brexit are getting invited to meetings with Davis and May. Avoiding dissenting voices starts to look like a habit after a while and not a helpful approach to something as big as this.
 
the dza said:
Things like tuition free university, free school meals for primary school kids, state-owned railways, not phucking over the disabled...these things still work well now, in other western democracies. Nobody wants to nationalise your socks.
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Nah, they are all such 70's issues.
 
milo said:
But who could see this coming?

https://twitter.com/x/status/855517590818611204
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Only because they can start with the EU today where as for some reason we are playing by the rules of the gangster club and waiting till we leave till we start on trade deals.

Wonder if it will be as quick with the yanks as it was with the Canadians. Not sure how the rednecks will take to the freedom of movement of people either. Also you have to work in America 7 years before your allowed any benefits.

So is the EU going to ask for EU citizens to have those rights?

Guess when we leave the EU we will finally get to see if they have been bullying us all along or whether we get a free trade deal like the North Americans.

This could actually strengthen our hand so I approve. Over to you Brussels, is Britain just another country or a country you wish to control?:)
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Only because they can start with the EU today where as for some reason we are playing by the rules of the gangster club and waiting till we leave till we start on trade deals.

Wonder if it will be as quick with the yanks as it was with the Canadians. Not sure how the rednecks will take to the freedom of movement of people either. Also you have to work in America 7 years before your allowed any benefits.

So is the EU going to ask for EU citizens to have those rights?

Guess when we leave the EU we will finally get to see if they have been bullying us all along or whether we get a free trade deal like the North Americans.

This could actually strengthen our hand so I approve. Over to you Brussels, is Britain just another country or a country you wish to control?:)
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They'd choose Europe first anyway because it is a larger market.

We have to play by the rules of the EU because we are still a member. Breaking them would mean that negotiating a future free trade deal with them would be difficult and it could hamper our rejoining the WTO. It could also make the cost of future FTA agreements with other countries higher as they factor in the risk of doing a deal with a country that walks away from international obligations.

I doubt very much that freedom of movement will be part of the FTA that the US is seeking but they will not be seeking or offering the kind of access that we will require if we are not to tank the economy.
 
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If somebody had suggested that a fascist would make the run off round of the French presidential elections, thirty years ago, I would have laughed out loud. What is the world coming to?
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
If somebody had suggested that a fascist would make the run off round of the French presidential elections, thirty years ago, I would have laughed out loud. What is the world coming to?
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Her dad did it in 2002.

Papers saying this morning the tories are making gains in Scotland, splitting the Scots and the English tories was a master stroke.

Got to say i do actually like Corbyn decent man and anti EU. Is economic policies are mad though.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
If somebody had suggested that a fascist would make the run off round of the French presidential elections, thirty years ago, I would have laughed out loud. What is the world coming to?
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That's just an anomaly of the French electoral system.

It's easy for fringe parties to get a good share in the first round. I very much doubt she'll be many people's second vote. Likely to be a whitewash in the 2nd.
 
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