You know exactly what you're doing by not mentioning Redknapp. Don't like him, fine but you cant mention a manager who 'is a good guy and made real progress' and not a guy who achieved our first ever CL campaign playing some of the best football we'd seen for years - that to me is 'real progress'....
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The best Spurs team of the PL era - manager
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milo
Jack L. Jones
Those are the standout three for me too.
jts1882
Dean Richards
If we are talking manager then we have to consider all aspects of the jobs. Getting the team playing football is one of them, but there is also activity in the transfer market, giving youth a chance, winning trophies and otherwise making progress. It's hard to judge Poch on an incomplete record.
Jol moved us forward into new territory and was unlucky about CL quailfcation, but he didn't build on 2005-6. Redknapp delivered a first ever CL berth and managed a run to the quarter-finals and set new standards for our PL performance. His downsides are lack of youth development and that horrible flop at the end of his last season. Poch has us playing well, but we still fell short of our best season points-wise. It's difficult to say if the points tally was a positive achievement in a more competitive league or whether we only got third because others had off seasons. We ended the season with some questions, but also reason to be hopeful.
In short, these are the three for the list and I haven't a clue who I will vote for.
Jol moved us forward into new territory and was unlucky about CL quailfcation, but he didn't build on 2005-6. Redknapp delivered a first ever CL berth and managed a run to the quarter-finals and set new standards for our PL performance. His downsides are lack of youth development and that horrible flop at the end of his last season. Poch has us playing well, but we still fell short of our best season points-wise. It's difficult to say if the points tally was a positive achievement in a more competitive league or whether we only got third because others had off seasons. We ended the season with some questions, but also reason to be hopeful.
In short, these are the three for the list and I haven't a clue who I will vote for.
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Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
It's all about context though.
Redknapp inherited Modric and Bale, and a setup that had been on a steep upward curve for 4 years.
Jol and Hoddle for example generally had absolute crap to work with
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
One FA cup, two dutch cups, division 1 (2nd tier), division 3 (4th tier) and an Egyptian premier league. Six minor honours between them in more than 50 seasons of combined management. That's pretty depressing actually
Poch/AVB
Jol
In roughly that order.
Jol
In roughly that order.
You mention Ramos purely because he got us a trophy which is fair enough. Achieving CL for the first time in our history whilst not silverware is still something quantifiable.
And your wonderful Ramos had Modric and Bale, didnt he get two points from 8 games or something like that ;-) Its never as simple as just having the players....
milo
Jack L. Jones
We're judging what they did at Spurs not elsewhere. For me, they are the standout three.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Second time in our history (the first was 1961-2). Still 3rd losers though, just like last season we were 2nd losers.
Redknapp had the players mature. Modric only started bossing games halfway through his second season, Bale in about his 4th season. The issue with Comolli was that he bought players for 2 years in the future, rather than the present
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I know. My though was just how crap all our managers since Venables have actually been (Poch and maybe Hoddle (not with us) aside).
It's a bit of a hard one to call this - managers with better players available vs managers without - those who won trophies v those who got CL places...
Shortlist should include (Imo)
Graham - first trophy in the EPL years
Jol - kick started our rise from mid table obscurity
Ramos - our last trophy
Redknapp - two top 4 finishes
AVB - best points total
Pochettino - highest finish plus an actual title challenge
Those are the managers who have been in charge of our most note worthy teams over the PL era so should all make the list and they each have varying reasons for not being the eventual winner - but those reasons can be discussed once the shortlist is posted and we whittle them down till there's one left
Shortlist should include (Imo)
Graham - first trophy in the EPL years
Jol - kick started our rise from mid table obscurity
Ramos - our last trophy
Redknapp - two top 4 finishes
AVB - best points total
Pochettino - highest finish plus an actual title challenge
Those are the managers who have been in charge of our most note worthy teams over the PL era so should all make the list and they each have varying reasons for not being the eventual winner - but those reasons can be discussed once the shortlist is posted and we whittle them down till there's one left
milo
Jack L. Jones
I that it is unfair to call AVB a big mental
Baleforce
Ron Henry
well he's tiny for a start
Lemonade Money
Steffen Freund
DeanoAustin
Christian Ziege
Absolutely madness and bias not to have Harry under consideration.
He had Bale and Modric? Bale was on a monumental losing streak and was on the verge of being loaned out to The Championship. Modric was ordinary before Harry came along. He took us from a terrible run and the relegation zone to the Champions League quarters playing really exciting football. He did a fantastic job and I say that as someone who doesn't like him and thinks he's completely crooked.
Personally, I'd go with:
1. Harry
2. Jol
3. Poch
Poch definitely has the potential though.
He had Bale and Modric? Bale was on a monumental losing streak and was on the verge of being loaned out to The Championship. Modric was ordinary before Harry came along. He took us from a terrible run and the relegation zone to the Champions League quarters playing really exciting football. He did a fantastic job and I say that as someone who doesn't like him and thinks he's completely crooked.
Personally, I'd go with:
1. Harry
2. Jol
3. Poch
Poch definitely has the potential though.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
Not true at all that bit, Luka was at Spurs for two months before " rent a quote" came here. And he played him out of position for ages. Modric only became the best player when he moved into CM it took " rent a quote" a while to see that.
he was also going to loan Bale out but circumstances changed that decision.
DeanoAustin
Christian Ziege
And for those two months, Modric looked very lightweight and like he wasn't going to make it. He turned into a player under Harry.
Likewise Bale. Although he'd been injured quite a bit, no one would have shed a tear if he'd been loaned out. Yet he became a player under Harry,
I'm not suggesting that they wouldn't have been players without Harry but it's just bias to say Harry had no influence and he was lucky.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
We will disagree then. If you are judging Modric on 8 games ( and i am not sure he played in all of them) then there is nothing much i can say to that.