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Tosin & Mudryk deals with Chelsea

thfcsteff said:
Err...backup to Tel who is backup to Savio when Kudus is fit? And even if he isn't, depending on where Marmoush is deployed?
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Tel doesn't need a back up and Mudyrk won't be that Mudyrk is a project player to develop just like Tel. Neither are the finished article or really close. Mudyrk was better on the ball, faster and way better at beating his man but usually didn't know what to do after that or where to go with it.

If the Mudyrk deal works then medium term Tel will be moved on. If it doesn't work he's a body that never plays.
 
Robspur12 said:
Whatever you think of Danso, I think he has been treated pretty shabbily by RDZ given that he was key part of our survival last season. I understand Van Hecke being first choice but putting Davies in ahead of him against a reserve Charlton team was appalling. There are times as a manager in any profession where pragmatism should trumps idealism. Tosin is already a downgrade in the sense thar he is replacing a player who was settled and knew the club and likely felt a huge connection after what happened at the end of last season.

You have to say the club has supported RDZ very well. He certainly likes his high risk players. As Greenwood at Marseilles showed he's not afraid to take a gamble on them. He has brought in a former betting cheat and now a former drug cheat. I just hope he and the club know what they are doing. Aside from the fact Mudryk is not likely to be match fit , this could potentially create a toxic situation in the dressing room and damage the club's image
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Scratching my head there... a downgrade simply because he is replacing someone who has been just a squad player for his whole time at the club?

As for Mudryk being toxic. WTH did that come from? Under current WADA guidelines, the low concentration of meldonium found in his 2024 sample would no longer trigger a positive test or violation today. So rather than a cheat, he looks more of a victim of insufficient science...

I can understand you not liking the players... that's your opinion and you have every right to it. However to come up with these innuendos does not really sit well, at least with me.
 
billyiddo said:
7 milly for a 4th choice CB in a season we don't have Europe aint the end of the world i guess, was thinking it'd be a 20-30m jobby negating any fee we get for Danso. Still feels like a downgrade but at least not a costly one
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How is it an downgrade? The Fulham Tosin is better than Danso for heading ability, pace, recovery and probably equivalent in press resistance....
 
Chrissivad said:
Got to keep their audience engaged, then they can blame the club if nothing happens...
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The Spurs Community ones are the worst for this, the last few days always brings promises of an exciting ending and big surprises, followed by vague posts about how we’re “working on something huge which has to be kept quiet through fear of outing a source”, quickly followed by some “would anyone like to donate to the site for all this incredible in depth info?”.

People donate and sure enough nothing materialises, the “ITK’s” put up some nonsense about goal posts moving at the eleventh hour and the worlds most expensive server lives another day.
 
Bishop said:
Tel doesn't need a back up and Mudyrk won't be that Mudyrk is a project player to develop just like Tel. Neither are the finished article or really close. Mudyrk was better on the ball, faster and way better at beating his man but usually didn't know what to do after that or where to go with it.

If the Mudyrk deal works then medium term Tel will be moved on. If it doesn't work he's a body that never plays.
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OK. And? My point is this is a low-risk potentially high-reward move. He might be brick. He might be great.
 
thfcsteff said:
Indeed. Except I agree with those at the club who don't think he's Prem ready yet and who needed another good loan.
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I think pretty much everyone agrees on that. Maybe he was tired of waiting, maybe his first few games in a Spurs shirt made him feel he was ready or maybe he didn't feel De Zerbi would ever trust him. There's a personal/psychological aspect of transfers that we, as fans, can't really appreciate. Since Richarlison wanted to leave anyway and assuming we don't sign a nailed on centre forward, I think he was good enough to challenge Solanke for a spot, but it's not my career that's on the line.
 
Strange old summer really. I think you can feel genuinely excited about some of our signings and completely underwhelmed by others, with a hint of disappointment at some of the kids leaving us before really being tested in our shirt.

I think you can build any narrative justifying all the decisions by RDZ, but he knows the drill. He'll be measured by what happens on the pitch, not what happens in the transfer market.
 
thfcsteff said:
OK. And? My point is this is a low-risk potentially high-reward move. He might be brick. He might be great.
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The 85m buy clause means it's unlikely to be high-reward, though. I can't see him having a season so good that he'd suddenly be worth 20m more than Ndiaye. He's never been any good in the Premier League either, so the only reason to be optimistic is the 19 games he played under De Zerbi, five years ago in Ukraine. It isn't much. I'd say it's more a low-risk, low-reward move.
 
Bit of an over reaction to a couple of players who are going to be squad players and I don't recall many being particularly excited about Danso when he arrived. He's being replaced with a guy who looked very capable at Fulham and essentially loaning out Moore and bringing in Mudryk is not exactly a net loss as far as I'm concerned....
 
Mabspurs said:
I can see your argument but what I think you are missing is that all 3 wanted regular first team football and RDZ is very clear.... if a player wants to move and a good offer arrives, then he is released. You may not agree with him but that is his philosophy. Back in June, how many games were Lankshear and Phillips realistically expect to feature when we don't have any European football? My only gripe with that approach is that we don't insert mandatory buy back clauses in these agreements....
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I think this has been the problem for RDZ this season.....he and the players can all look down at the football calendar...and there just aren't many games to go round. That's just the reality.

And the more the team develops, and (hopefully) starts gelling and playing well, the more RDZ is gonna stick with it. I don't think he'll tinker much. So if you're not in that group....you'll be mainly sitting on your arse.
 
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