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Richarlison

NaijaSpurs said:
Indeed, when he said Spence wanted to leave nobody accused him of throwing Spence under the bus.
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There’s quite clearly a difference between the Spence, Danso and Sarr comments to him saying Richarlson has asked to leave too many times, the insinuation is he can’t wait to leave and is being a pest about it.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
So if I’m thinking ahead about bets to place for our game against Everton in a couple of weeks, any suggestions as to who might score against us… 🤔
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He got two against Everton tbf. It is written. I hope the haters at least find some dry humour in it!

Part of me is glad if he leaves, we'll only hear twice a season how useless he is rather than every single game from the same cluster of posters looking for validation, crying about his haircut because they won't ever be a sexy bastard like Richy.

Selling the top scorer by choice three seasons in a row seems like quite a unique series of events. And our replacements don't seem to fill the void at CF, especially if Solanke gets injured again. But maybe RDZ's plan is through false 9s and a lot of rotation across the front line, if that's the case it'll take a while to adjust to the style of play. The worry being, that De Zerbi got better form with the relegation contenders of last season than a team that are going to be weighed down by price tags if they can't win football games. It's still early days of course, it's just ideally we'd look good rather than not across the course of two league games. If we just want to look decent against Charlton and the likes, we probably should have gone down the relegation route..
 
Gazza Dazzla said:
There’s quite clearly a difference between the Spence, Danso and Sarr comments to him saying Richarlson has asked to leave too many times, the insinuation is he can’t wait to leave and is being a pest about it.
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Yeah but I think it’s the ‘too many’ that might have been lost in translation.
 
spurspinter1 said:
He got two against Everton tbf. It is written. I hope the haters at least find some dry humour in it!

Part of me is glad if he leaves, we'll only hear twice a season how useless he is rather than every single game from the same cluster of posters looking for validation, crying about his haircut because they won't ever be a sexy bastard like Richy.

Selling the top scorer by choice three seasons in a row seems like quite a unique series of events. And our replacements don't seem to fill the void at CF, especially if Solanke gets injured again. But maybe RDZ's plan is through false 9s and a lot of rotation across the front line, if that's the case it'll take a while to adjust to the style of play. The worry being, that De Zerbi got better form with the relegation contenders of last season than a team that are going to be weighed down by price tags if they can't win football games. It's still early days of course, it's just ideally we'd look good rather than not across the course of two league games. If we just want to look decent against Charlton and the likes, we probably should have gone down the relegation route..
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Yes, we need better. Quite obviously. Pretending otherwise because some people don’t like hearing it isn’t going to magically turn an average squad into a top-four one. I mean he couldn’t even get into the most recent Brazil World Cup squad, and the Brazil team at the moment is crap.

We’re not a top-four contender. We have far too many players who are, at best, bottom-half calibre. That’s not being negative, it’s looking at the squad without rose-tinted glasses.

And if we can’t have a proper, honest discussion about players like “Richy” and “Vic” without everyone immediately jumping in to defend them, then what exactly is the point of the forum?

Are we genuinely still doing the “everyone’s brilliant, nobody needs replacing” routine after 2 consecutive years finishing in 17th place? Because if that’s the standard, we may as well just close the forum and start handing out participation medals.

Players need upgrading. That’s how football works. Sentimentality won’t get us into the top four.
 
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Jurgen the German said:
Yes, we need better. Quite obviously. Pretending otherwise because some people don’t like hearing it isn’t going to magically turn an average squad into a top-four one. I mean he couldn’t even get into the most recent Brazil World Cup squad, and the Brazil team at the moment is crap.

We’re not a top-four contender. We have far too many players who are, at best, bottom-half calibre. That’s not being negative, it’s looking at the squad without rose-tinted glasses.

And if we can’t have a proper, honest discussion about players like “Richy” and “Vic” without everyone immediately jumping in to defend them, then what exactly is the point of the forum?

Are we genuinely still doing the “everyone’s brilliant, nobody needs replacing” routine after 2 consecutive years finishing in 17th place? Because if that’s the standard, we may as well just close the forum and start handing out participation medals.

Players need upgrading. That’s how football works. Sentimentality won’t get us into the top four.
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Savinho "couldn't even" get into the Brazil squad, does he need replacing too?

Who has said that everyone's brilliant nobody needs replacing? It's easy to feel like you've won a debate if you make up a ridiculous statement and argue against it. On the same note I can't see many that have defended Vic, I think his flaws are too prominent to be our number 1 but I didn't spend my summer whining about him on a football forum, I'm not the perfect fan but I try to actually supportive unlike some, as if your analysis is some cold hard truthes that need to be heard lol . The forum is here for discussion, but telling everyone you don't like Richarlison's face or hair or he's not good enough at 2 day intervals isn't really discussion now is it? It's more like a symptom of having very little to do, or possibly some kind of cognitive issue. If you're stuck in some kind of recurring nightmare feeling oppressed by Richarlison and trans athletes I have sympathy but can't help on that front!

Couldn't give a fudge about top four anyways, and who is or isn't a "top four player" is another beyond tedious debate.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Yes, we need better. Quite obviously. Pretending otherwise because some people don’t like hearing it isn’t going to magically turn an average squad into a top-four one. I mean he couldn’t even get into the most recent Brazil World Cup squad, and the Brazil team at the moment is crap.

We’re not a top-four contender. We have far too many players who are, at best, bottom-half calibre. That’s not being negative, it’s looking at the squad without rose-tinted glasses.

And if we can’t have a proper, honest discussion about players like “Richy” and “Vic” without everyone immediately jumping in to defend them, then what exactly is the point of the forum?

Are we genuinely still doing the “everyone’s brilliant, nobody needs replacing” routine after 2 consecutive years finishing in 17th place? Because if that’s the standard, we may as well just close the forum and start handing out participation medals.

Players need upgrading. That’s how football works. Sentimentality won’t get us into the top four.
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Sorry, are you saying that no 'honest discussions' about Richarlison should include any form of defending him from criticism? That's hilarious TBH.
 
spurspinter1 said:
Savinho "couldn't even" get into the Brazil squad, does he need replacing too?

Who has said that everyone's brilliant nobody needs replacing? It's easy to feel like you've won a debate if you make up a ridiculous statement and argue against it. On the same note I can't see many that have defended Vic, I think his flaws are too prominent to be our number 1 but I didn't spend my summer whining about him on a football forum, I'm not the perfect fan but I try to actually supportive unlike some, as if your analysis is some cold hard truthes that need to be heard lol . The forum is here for discussion, but telling everyone you don't like Richarlison's face or hair or he's not good enough at 2 day intervals isn't really discussion now is it? It's more like a symptom of having very little to do, or possibly some kind of cognitive issue. If you're stuck in some kind of recurring nightmare feeling oppressed by Richarlison and trans athletes I have sympathy but can't help on that front!

Couldn't give a fudge about top four anyways, and who is or isn't a "top four player" is another beyond tedious debate.
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I’m not trying to “win a debate” here. I’m giving an opinion. That seems to be something people have forgotten how to do these days — everything has to be about “winning”, “owning” someone or scoring points. Not every disagreement needs a victor.

I’ll hold my hands up on the football stuff. I do get frustrated with our players, particularly on matchdays, and sometimes that frustration spills over into criticism that’s unfair or gets too personal. When it does, I’m perfectly happy to acknowledge it and apologise. I’m not above admitting when I’ve gone too far.

But I’m also frustrated by what I see as a wider problem at the club: we hold on to players for too long, fail to replace them adequately and then wonder why the same weaknesses keep coming back. And frankly, I don't think a football forum needs to be a permanent exercise in positivity and rose-tinted glasses. Sometimes people are going to be tinkled off. Sometimes there’s going to be venting. That’s part of supporting a football club. As long as people can debate it without making it personal, I don’t see the problem.

What I find particularly odd, though, is that you’ve brought my views on trans athletes into a thread about Richarlison. Why? What exactly does my opinion on that subject have to do with a discussion about a Tottenham player?

If you want to have a separate discussion about trans athletes and women’s sport, then fine — I’m happy to have it. But dragging it into an unrelated football thread because you disagree with my views seems like a pretty transparent attempt to make the discussion about me rather than what I actually said about Richarlison.

And for the avoidance of doubt, I’m not going to apologise for having a different opinion from you. I’m certainly not going to apologise for refusing to adopt a particular view.

You’re entitled to your opinion and I’m entitled to mine. What I object to is the attitude that anyone who questions the prevailing position needs to be lectured, morally judged or shamed into agreeing. That isn't debate. That's moral policing.

My position on women’s sport is straightforward: I think women deserve a genuinely fair and safe competitive category. If there is a possibility that trans athletes who have experienced male puberty retain physiological advantages that matter competitively, I think those concerns deserve to be taken seriously rather than simply dismissed as prejudice.

The science isn't completely settled on every aspect of this issue, which is precisely why I think caution is sensible. When there is uncertainty over fairness and safety, I don't think it's unreasonable to put the burden of proof on those arguing for inclusion to demonstrate that women's sport isn't being disadvantaged.

That isn't hatred. It isn't some extremist position. And it certainly doesn't make me a bad person.

You don't have to agree with me. But if we're going to have a debate, let's actually debate the issue rather than dragging unrelated subjects into a Richarlison thread and trying to turn a disagreement over football into a judgement on someone's character.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Defending him is fine, but equally, criticism of a player is also par for the course for a football forum.
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I hear you. I often feel that some of these conversations lose their objectivity. It's not just a dialogue with some differing opinions with a healthy respect for the the other persons views. It becomes a point scoring exercise and there have been occasions where I've had to remind people that they're playing the man, not the ball. Sometimes we probably need reminding that we're all supporting the same team.
 
I think it shows how much success changes a fanbase. Before Champions League became a regular fixture for Spurs, we used to thank a player for their services, as long as they didn't act like dingdongs. For all his flaws, Richarlison's commitment was never in doubt. I believe (but it's just my opinion), it makes more sense to discuss a player's pros and cons when he's at the club.

In this instance, he obviously wanted to leave; someone gave us a good a price for him. Everybody should be happy.
 
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