robp135
Jose Dominguez
Stinks of effort this.
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Djed Spence
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Stinks of effort this.
Nobody isn't 1 person lad.
robp135
Jose Dominguez
Trying so hard.
I must say you really do come across as a bell end
NaijaSpurs
Cecil Poynton
Because he does not come across in the way you want you appear to be insinuating he has an attitude problem
robp135
Jose Dominguez
Because he does not come across in the way you want you appear to be insinuating he has an attitude problem
Not what I said.
NaijaSpurs
Cecil Poynton
I never said you did. But the insinuation was there
NaijaSpurs
Cecil Poynton
Alternatively, I have it completely wrong but you are whinging because in your opinion he is not humble. If that is the case then I interprete to mean he is confident
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OK small c carl, are you small r robs backup? think you are a bit obsessed with dropping in and giving me abuse every year or so. It's odd behaviour.
robp135
Jose Dominguez
“Abuse”
robp135
Jose Dominguez
Wrong twice. I’ve said he came across bad in that interview which even some of those defending him have acknowledged.
I don’t think Spence has a bad attitude. At least not in a way that impacts his performances. I just don’t think he is very good.
Mikey10
Cecil Poynton
He also tapped Tudor on the shoulder during a game when substituted off. Some of his social media output shows an arrogance beyond his ability. More than one of our managers have had issues with his approach.
Added to that, he’s an average defender. The Congo winger had him on toast the other night.
We should be looking to upgrade.
Muttley
Chris Armstrong
I would agree that so far in his Spurs career he's had very few games where he has been "very good". It's all about potential with him and as you head towards your 26th b'day you need to find that next gear and a load of consistency. That's what I'm hoping RDZ can do with him.
One stat that never looks favourable with Djed is assists (and goals). He has only had 2 assists throughout his entire PL career. Zero assists last season even though he started 23 and was sub in 7 of the 38 games. That is a lot of time to be on a pitch in the wide area and not get an assist. Saying that, Porro was reduced to 1 goal and a couple of assists but has previously been up at 6 or 7 assists in prior seasons.
I've not given up with Djed at all because there are mitigating circumstances with our manager churn, league positions and playing out of position. It's quite the opposite thought process with me. The full-back position could become a serious strength again under Roberto with the full-back options we now have.
MartyFunkhouser
Vic Buckingham
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Alternatively he is a better 1 v 1 defender than Porro and people love Porro attacking intent.
For me its more what do you want from a defender TBH
Fair enough, I wouldn't pay much attention to social media when it comes to attitude on the pitch - he is a different personality and that can be misunderstood.
From a football perspective I don't think he's anything special, if he's happy being our backup right back then fine as I'm unsure we could get someone better in. If he's not happy with that then sell him, as one of his major plus points was that he could cover both flanks but now we have both Robertson and Udogie who both offer natural width which I think is better for balance he isn't really needed there, especially in a season without Europe.
He doesn't have much end product either, so if an Everton or whoever submit a decent offer I don't mind him going....
Muttley
Chris Armstrong
I think that is the point that guys like myself and @robp135 have been making. Spence is a good defender one on one but does that really matter if he's not positionally correct. The first time I remember really feeling his defensive qualities was against Mbuemo at Brentford. Frank had Mbuemo on fire for Brentford before the Utd move and he was getting goals / assists galore. I thought Spence concentrated brilliantly that game and got into the physical battle with their best player. One of the very few occasions where I thought Djed was MoTM and put in a 90 min s contribution. He did a proper job on Mbuemo.
Then other times I've watched Djed just ambling back when he should be sprinting. I've seen some woeful far post defending from him as the ball hits out net. Therefore, I would always argue back that Djed isn't a great defender. He's currently not better than Pedro who has some chinks in his armour as well. Pedro certainly contains his errors down to a very few and plays with an intensity that Djed hasn't found yet. You don't see Pedro just ambling back ever.
So Djed leaves me confused. At 26 you need to pull your entire game together. You should have worked at your weaknesses and found ways to improve them or leave them less exposed on the pitch. I'm still in both of these players corner though. I do think we will worry less about full-back this coming season.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Luka Modric
I can't think of any fullback I've seen (I don't watch foreign football) who can do what is required by our fanbase: fast, good tackler, competent in the air, good positioning, excellent passer, two footed, accurate crosser and goal scoring. We'll have to settle for someone who has 2 or 3 of those attributes.
Lemonade Money
Chris Jones
You missed, loves being called a clam.
Bishop
Paul Walsh
I don't really understand this argument re assists with Spence. He's playing on the wrong side doing us a favour, why would we expect any offensive output from him? That's not his position, it's not his role. Do you think Porro's assist numbers wouldn't also suffer if he also played the majority of his games on the left? Such a weird criticism.
If you want to critique his attacking play then fair enough but at least appreciate the caveat that he had played 15 games total in his actual position for us and the vast majority of his minutes have been as an emergency LB, so any output is going to be significantly diminished.
If he gets minutes on the right, then we can actually speak of his attacking qualities or lack of until then it feels like such a disengerous approach to take.
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Lost Mango
Terry Fenwick
Assists is also a questionable metric for any of our players over the last few seasons, given who they are 'assisting'. Doesn't get counted if the banjo doesn't hit the cow's arse.