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glorygloryeze said:
Out of interest, where do you place the Kroenke's at Arsenal within this paradigm?
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Kronke Sports group is slightly different, they are a holding group focused on Sports teams and the ecosystem around it, things like media and real estate. This is their core business model.

Clearlake Capital (Chelsea's real owners) is a Private Equity firm. Their founding strategy -> The strategy was to shift between buyouts and distressed securities depending on economic conditions. This allowed the firm to take advantage of the 2008 financial crisis to acquire distressed securities and then sell them for a profit after recovery. They buy everything from Women's Clothing Brands to industrials, they have zero "interest" in a single industry, it's all about managing assets and return for their investors
 
Raziel said:
Kronke Sports group is slightly different, they are a holding group focused on Sports teams and the ecosystem around it, things like media and real estate. This is their core business model.

Clearlake Capital (Chelsea's real owners) is a Private Equity firm. Their founding strategy -> The strategy was to shift between buyouts and distressed securities depending on economic conditions. This allowed the firm to take advantage of the 2008 financial crisis to acquire distressed securities and then sell them for a profit after recovery. They buy everything from Women's Clothing Brands to industrials, they have zero "interest" in a single industry, it's all about managing assets and return for their investors
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Clearlake are owned by Saudi Arabia. It's just a shell entity to obscure multi-club ownership issues re Saudi Sportswashing Machine
 
Raziel said:
Kronke Sports group is slightly different, they are a holding group focused on Sports teams and the ecosystem around it, things like media and real estate. This is their core business model.

Clearlake Capital (Chelsea's real owners) is a Private Equity firm. Their founding strategy -> The strategy was to shift between buyouts and distressed securities depending on economic conditions. This allowed the firm to take advantage of the 2008 financial crisis to acquire distressed securities and then sell them for a profit after recovery. They buy everything from Women's Clothing Brands to industrials, they have zero "interest" in a single industry, it's all about managing assets and return for their investors
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Are you saying that the Kroenke Sports Group would be a more acceptable ownership model than the typical American ownership models?
 
Gutter Boy said:
Clearlake are owned by Saudi Arabia. It's just a shell entity to obscure multi-club ownership issues re Saudi Sportswashing Machine
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Bedfordspurs said:
Careful
When i said that before people said I was wrong
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Only partially true

Clearlake was founded in 2006 as a classic American PE firm, it's founders are Iranian and Puerto Rican. They current only have 2 clubs under investment and in terms of their total assets, football is probably 5-8%?

There is a lot of smoke re ME investment into Clearlake and may simply be a way to skip some multi-club ownership rules and swap clubs that are the front to sportswashing (lots of talk re Saudi's wanting out of Saudi Sportswashing Machine and into a club that gives them the ability to spend)
 
glorygloryeze said:
Yes,@Lemonade Money because you felt it was a good decision to go into the league cup final in 2021 with Ryan Mason in charge instead of (at that time) the one manager who had been able to beat Pep in a Cup final?
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Not at all, I would have kept him for the final. But go back to the relevant thread and you'll see months of people saying he's got to go, Levy listened, sacked him, and then everyone complained about the timing. If it weren't for the boo boys, I don't think he would have been sacked.
 
Lemonade Money said:
Not at all, I would have kept him for the final. But go back to the relevant thread and you'll see months of people saying he's got to go, Levy listened, sacked him, and then everyone complained about the timing. If it weren't for the boo boys, I don't think he would have been sacked.
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You honestly think Levy sacked him because of "the boo boys"?
 
Lemonade Money said:
Yep
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Oh really?

Why didn't he 'listen to the boo-boys" when we flopped against Arsenal and then lose to a team in the Europa league who had their coach in prison for the match but instead only "listen to the boo-boys" a few days before a cup final?

Why was Levy all of sudden "swayed by the boo-boys" just before a cup final rather than many weeks prior when there would have been countless reasons to do so?
 
Raziel said:
Only partially true

Clearlake was founded in 2006 as a classic American PE firm, it's founders are Iranian and Puerto Rican. They current only have 2 clubs under investment and in terms of their total assets, football is probably 5-8%?

There is a lot of smoke re ME investment into Clearlake and may simply be a way to skip some multi-club ownership rules and swap clubs that are the front to sportswashing (lots of talk re Saudi's wanting out of Saudi Sportswashing Machine and into a club that gives them the ability to spend)
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They 100% gave a huge huge investment from several Saudi entities
Said it before that I heard from several very credible sources that also the Saudis were bored at Saudi Sportswashing Machine very quickly when they realised they wouldn’t fix it because of the ruled
They then up the investment in boxing
I work with quite a lot of people now form that part of the world and I trust their views because they have no skin the game and aren’t fans of football
 
Bedfordspurs said:
They 100% gave a huge huge investment from several Saudi entities
Said it before that I heard from several very credible sources that also the Saudis were bored at Saudi Sportswashing Machine very quickly when they realised they wouldn’t fix it because of the ruled
They then up the investment in boxing
I work with quite a lot of people now form that part of the world and I trust their views because they have no skin the game and aren’t fans of football
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Not denying that at all, I think Clearlake is an investment vehicle being used by the Saudi's/ME money for certain aims (and what I've heard lines up with you re Saudi Sportswashing Machine)

That said, Clearlake isn't a Saudi formed company for this purpose (my points about them have significant capital in other fields and being classic American PE in many other ways), hence my statement was "not entirely true"
 
glorygloryeze said:
Oh really?

Why didn't he 'listen to the boo-boys" when we flopped against Arsenal and then lose to a team in the Europa league who had their coach in prison for the match but instead only "listen to the boo-boys" a few days before a cup final?

Why was Levy all of sudden "swayed by the boo-boys" just before a cup final rather than many weeks prior when there would have been countless reasons to do so?
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The noise I've heard is the team went to Levy re Jose, they didn't want to play for him ..
 
Raziel said:
Not denying that at all, I think Clearlake is an investment vehicle being used by the Saudi's/ME money for certain aims (and what I've heard lines up with you re Saudi Sportswashing Machine)

That said, Clearlake isn't a Saudi formed company for this purpose (my points about them have significant capital in other fields and being classic American PE in many other ways), hence my statement was "not entirely true"
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The major shares in Clearlake are Saudi
 
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