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Baleforce said:
It's the lowest of hanging fruit to help the economy.

It's more than just common sense, we absolutely have to do it.
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Needs a plebiscite or the country burns. Make a proper case for it this time instead of just threats and insults.

He can’t just decide to join some thing that massively impacts us just because there are votes in it for him - we know it will get turned over at the next election when the brexit parties storm back.
 
Baleforce said:
It's the lowest of hanging fruit to help the economy.

It's more than just common sense, we absolutely have to do it.
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It wouldn't actually necessarily help the economy, particularly as things have moved on since Brexit.

Obviously joining the customs union means you give up your own independent trade policy, so the UK would have to unwind its trade deals with the US, India and leave the CPTPP.

The trade agreement with the EU pretty means zero tariffs so the drawback of not being in the customs union when trading with the EU is pretty much admin/time cost, but systems can be put in place to minimise that.

By contrast, joining the customs union would mean immediately adding 5% additional tariffs on trade with the US, our biggest trading partner, accounting for £302 billion of annual aggregated trade flows (c. 18% of all of our trade).

From a trading perspective the UK always had one of the least to lose of any European country from not being in the customs union as less than half of our annual trade flows are with EU member states (c. £930 billion non-EU flows versus c. £807 billion EU flows).

Overall there isn't a clear view that joining the customs union would be beneficial, particularly to the extent it would need to be to counteract the harm you'd inflict on trading relations with the US.
 
And where do we draw the line with European integration?

Why are the lefties here so sure that the EU itself with manifest power over the UKs population and resources doesn’t itself lurch to the right and not in the knee jerk response to unchecked migration here in the U.K. but in the disappearing of millions of people way of several recent large member countries of the EU?

would all that be worth it so the rich Urbanites can spend their winters in their spanish villa’s untroubled by a half hour queue at passport control?
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Came in here after several months away and you're all obsessed with Tommy Robinson still! Deny a fire oxygen and it'll go out!
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You could literally say that about anything on here that we are all guilty of parroting on about, just because you are a fan doesn't make it an "obsession" to highlight one of the biggest grifting cnuts of the UK scene.

Given the number of you simpletons that donate to his lifestyle I am not sure a few comments on a hidden football forum or less of them is going to change anything

Still crossing the road when you see mean looking men you don't recognise as British???
 
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johnola said:
And where do we draw the line with European integration?

Why are the lefties here so sure that the EU itself with manifest power over the UKs population and resources doesn’t itself lurch to the right and not in the knee jerk response to unchecked migration here in the U.K. but in the disappearing of millions of people way of several recent large member countries of the EU?

would all that be worth it so the rich Urbanites can spend their winters in their spanish villa’s untroubled by a half hour queue at passport control?
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The problem here is the EU don't have power over us and never have had. For all its flaws and ours we were stronger together. End of.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
You could literally say that about anything on here that we are all guilty of parroting on about, just because you are a fan doesn't make it an "obsession" to highlight one of the biggest grifting cnuts of the UK scene.

Given the number of you simpletons that donate to his lifestyle I am not sure a few comments on a hidden football forum or less of them is going to change anything

Still crossing the road when you see mean looking men you don't recognise as British???
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Didn't realise i was a fan of tommy robinson. News to me.
 
johnola said:
Stronger for what, to fudge everyone else over?
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The economies of Europe have been growing at slower levels then Asian economies and America.

Europe also failed to stop a country on its border (Ukraine) that it wants to be part of its club from being invaded and then failed to liberate it.

But yeah we are stronger together haha
 
What free speech has actually been stopped here?

I don't know a single person personally or through another, including all the ones that cry about it on here who have not been able to say anything they want with freedom.
 
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MartyFunkhouser said:
What free speech has actually been stopped here?

I don't know a single person personally or through another, including all the ones that cry about it on here who have not been able to say anything they want with freedom.
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People have been imprisoned for saying mean things on Twitter. Have a search on the Telegraph website for "NCHI"

No matter how abhorrent we all think those statements and views are, people should be free to express their opinions.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
When has anyone been imprisoned for “saying mean things?”
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Quite regularly. Malicious communications act makes any "indecent, threatening, or grossly offensive" communication (actus reus) intended "to cause distress or anxiety" to the recipient (mens rea) a criminal offence.

The act was passed in 1988 when social media did not exist but it is now accepted that a social media post is an in-scope communication and the "recipient" is anyone that happens to read it

Add in the fact that its established in the common law that "intent" can be established as "recklessness" (i.e. there was no actual intent to cause "distress or anxiety" but distress or anxiety was reasonably forseeable) and the very subjective and low bar of "distress and anxiety" and you've got an absolute free for all.

Online safety bill expanded definition to include "false information" which again becomes entirely subjective because in some people's heads a retweet of a statement by a politician is enough to make a complaint to the police and what you were getting into when i left was bizarre situations in the law where an MP would make a statement in Parliament about a contentious issue such as immigration, they are protected by Parliamentary Privilege but a complaint would be made about people retweeting or sharing recordings of it because it was offensive and caused them distress and anxiety and therefore people were being dragged in for interviews under caution or even arrested and detained in cells (at least temporarily) for sharing official recordings from uk Parluamentary debates. I have first hand experience of this happening.
 
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