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Thomas Frank - Head Coach

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Take away Kane, Son, Kulu, Maddison and Solanke from the starting 11, replace them with kids and players who have struggled to make the grade at other top clubs, and is anybody really surprised?
 
Do you guys think Frank understands what he is managing here?
The scale of the club and the expectations
He is one of many that punched up when at a lower side with no expectation but how many stepped up when given chances
Rogers… no
Martinez… no
Moyes.. no
Potter…. No
Poch is the nearest that I can think of that had won nothing until he came here, and still won nothing but made us look like we might (Kane helped)
 
I said before the game that I didn't like the approach of going ultra defensive. Leaving them under no pressure until they're 30m away from our goal, is just inviting trouble, getting them lots of free kicks throw ins and corners, which is their strength! We played right into their hands, and were cowards.
They ain't that good. Having a go and pressing then high would give us a better chance imo. That's were we've been good. Winning the ball HIGH up the pitch to create something. Can hardly remember us creating anything from our own half the entire season.
Disappointing coward approach from Frank imo.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Do you guys think Frank understands what he is managing here?
The scale of the club and the expectations
He is one of many that punched up when at a lower side with no expectation but how many stepped up when given chances
Rogers… no
Martinez… no
Moyes.. no
Potter…. No
Poch is the nearest that I can think of that had won nothing until he came here, and still won nothing but made us look like we might (Kane helped)
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I’ve no idea. But I’m not prepared to make the call after 4 months, and with most of our goal scoring creative players out injured.

Get back to me in the summer and I might be on the way to starting to form an opinion.
 
Mikey10 said:
I’ve no idea. But I’m not prepared to make the call after 4 months, and with most of our goal scoring creative players out injured.

Get back to me in the summer and I might be on the way to starting to form an opinion.
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But why can’t we defend when he has all his defenders available?

Surely you deal with the when you have as a manager and maximise what’s fit and available

You may think that he has

My post is valid because im asking who has stepped up form a side with no expectation to one that has

That’s what I’d be interested in hearing
 
Wrong selection in a few high profile games for Frank but hopefully it’s lessons learnt for him. Can see the same tactic being used midweek sadly
 
Mikey10 said:
Take away Kane, Son, Kulu, Maddison and Solanke from the starting 11, replace them with kids and players who have struggled to make the grade at other top clubs, and is anybody really surprised?
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Yes we need better players but that doesn't absolve the manager. He is the one leaving creative players on the bench whilst playing two holding midfielders. The idea we shouldn't expect better attacking performances (or even just the odd attack) with the players available is crazy.....
 
Mikey10 said:
Take away Kane, Son, Kulu, Maddison and Solanke from the starting 11, replace them with kids and players who have struggled to make the grade at other top clubs, and is anybody really surprised?
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Indeed, who’d have thunk that replacing players (including one club legend) who made 73 goal contributions last season with some youngsters who’ve either failed to make the grade at bigger clubs or merely showed glimpses of promise at smaller clubs might result in a weakened attack.

Son 11 goals + 9 assists
Solanke 16 goals + 3 assists
Maddison 12 goals + 7 assists
Kulusevski 10 goals + 4 assists
 
Bedfordspurs said:
But why can’t we defend when he has all his defenders available?

Surely you deal with the when you have as a manager and maximise what’s fit and available

You may think that he has

My post is valid because im asking who has stepped up form a side with no expectation to one that has

That’s what I’d be interested in hearing
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It’s the constant defending we had to do today that caused issues. There was no respite from it and for me that’s caused by the way we set up. There was no outlet other than hit and hope Kudus or Richy can do something.

I get there are attacking players missing but if we can only create chances when certain players are fit then it’s not sustainable
 
clownfoot said:
It’s the constant defending we had to do today that caused issues. There was no respite from it and for me that’s caused by the way we set up. There was no outlet other than hit and hope Kudus or Richy can do something.

I get there are attacking players missing but if we can only create chances when certain players are fit then it’s not sustainable
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Yep
Although they scored with only their 2nd shot on target again and it was a deflection
But the tactics invited pressure
 
parj said:
Since Poch, we keep going from one extreme to another, pragmatic or all out attack.

That's not the Spurs I chose. For me, we were the football playing team, the purists. I expect our managers to live the ethos Audere Est Facere. Not give up the ball as a strategy.
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it's never worked
Bedfordspurs said:
Do you guys think Frank understands what he is managing here?
The scale of the club and the expectations
He is one of many that punched up when at a lower side with no expectation but how many stepped up when given chances
Rogers… no
Martinez… no
Moyes.. no
Potter…. No
Poch is the nearest that I can think of that had won nothing until he came here, and still won nothing but made us look like we might (Kane helped)
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Yes I think he does.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Do you guys think Frank understands what he is managing here?
The scale of the club and the expectations
He is one of many that punched up when at a lower side with no expectation but how many stepped up when given chances
Rogers… no
Martinez… no
Moyes.. no
Potter…. No
Poch is the nearest that I can think of that had won nothing until he came here, and still won nothing but made us look like we might (Kane helped)
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Howe is doing ok at Saudi Sportswashing Machine. Similar CV to Frank.

As I said back in the summer we as a fanbase would be best served by moving away from the idea of there being a quick-fix to turning us in to challengers, be that appointing a certain manager or buying the right player.

If we expect every manager to be an instant magic bullet then ultimately they will all come up short - Frank is as unlikely to be that man as whoever it is we appoint next and after that and so on. Doesn't mean we can't progress to a level before reassessing further down the line.
 
billyiddo said:
Howe is doing ok at Saudi Sportswashing Machine. Similar CV to Frank.

As I said back in the summer we as a fanbase would be best served by moving away from the idea of there being a quick-fix to turning us in to challengers, be that appointing a certain manager or buying the right player.

If we expect every manager to be an instant magic bullet then ultimately they will all come up short - Frank is as unlikely to be that man as whoever it is we appoint next and after that and so on. Doesn't mean we can't progress to a level before reassessing further down the line.
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How is one I missed and he has sown a trophy so is a good example
 
Bedfordspurs said:
But why can’t we defend when he has all his defenders available?

Surely you deal with the when you have as a manager and maximise what’s fit and available

You may think that he has

My post is valid because im asking who has stepped up form a side with no expectation to one that has

That’s what I’d be interested in hearing
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Our defenders aren't that great at defending, and defending isn't just from the nominally defensive players. Nor is it enacted just in a defensive phase. Defence also comes from the attack, primarily possession in that respect. Fear of your attack from the opposition also plays a part, when they can't push up quite as high, when they have to 2nd guess their positioning because of the threat the fear you possess. These are all the elements that plays a part in your own team's defensive capability.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
But why can’t we defend when he has all his defenders available?

Surely you deal with the when you have as a manager and maximise what’s fit and available

You may think that he has

My post is valid because im asking who has stepped up form a side with no expectation to one that has

That’s what I’d be interested in hearing
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This is the bit I don't understand. Is he missing a first choice defensive option?

For me, he might have two good defensive midfielders but they don't get about the midfield and press aggressively. We need some more dynamic midfielders to press and help transition the ball into attack
 
parj said:
This is the bit I don't understand. Is he missing a first choice defensive option?

For me, he might have two good defensive midfielders but they don't get about the midfield and press aggressively. We need some more dynamic midfielders to press and help transition the ball into attack
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We played Arsenal away last year with a defence of

Kinky

Porro Drago Gray Spence

And lost 2-1 in an awful game bit created more than today and didn’t get spanked like today
 
We’d have been under the pump with 4 at the back as well. Think the 3 at the back complaints are getting over egged personally. Pretty much everyone, whether you were pro Frank when he was announced or not. were happy to have a manager that would change up the tactics rather than the same thing week in week out.

The issue isn’t playing 3 cbs it’s the lack of cohesion ahead of that that’s the problem no matter the formation. It’s not like this performance is a one off…
 
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