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scaramanga said:
He's so bad even Labour can see how economically illiterate he is.
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Yet has done an absolutely world class job of transforming Manchester fostering economic growth in the city AND has major support from the people he represents because he fights hard for them. They hate him because he fights against them for the better of his city and has been anti Westminster whilst doing it.

I would back a politician on those principals over the vast majority who are out there. Its what all politicians should be striving the be, serving those that vote you in, the issue now is too many are more interested in social media posturing
 
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Grays_1890 said:
Yet has done an absolutely world class job of transforming Manchester fostering economic growth in the city AND has major support from the people he represents because he fights hard for them. They hate him because he fights against them for the better of his city and has been anti Westminster whilst doing it.

I would back a politician on those principals over the vast majority who are out there. Its what all politicians should be striving the be, serving those that vote you in, the issue now is too many are more interested in social media posturing
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Yep, he's very good at spending everyone else's money. The problem with socialism, is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend.
 
LutonSpurs said:
Lockdown could never have been avoided due to the incompetence of our leaders, and inadequate structure of our systems.

However we should have been able to avoid it and stop the harm it caused while keeping risks of spread low.
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If another (hopefully not) pandemic happens in our lifetime then the government need to find a way to protect the most vulnerable so the rest of the population can continue as close to business as usual as possible.
 
scaramanga said:
Yep, he's very good at spending everyone else's money. The problem with socialism, is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend.
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Except Manchester's economy out paces the UK now and he has set the city up to avail of the future of the vertical sectors. The guy literally turned the city into a world class city across multiple disciplines.

He also works hard on youth and social movement and has managed great success in those areas, so the good part of socialism where they are yielding results.

And the proof in the eating is that those he represents love him and industry loves him, thats telling

As I say, give me that guy over the others every day of the week
 
Grays_1890 said:
Except Manchester's economy out paces the UK now and he has set the city up to avail of the future of the vertical sectors. The guy literally turned the city into a world class city across multiple disciplines.

He also works hard on youth and social movement and has managed great success in those areas, so the good part of socialism where they are yielding results.

And the proof in the eating is that those he represents love him and industry loves him, thats telling

As I say, give me that guy over the others every day of the week
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Manchester isn't a separate economy, it could never survive without that handouts from the South. You may wish to parrot spurious claims and propaganda from the mayor but the data say otherwise:
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scaramanga said:
Manchester isn't a separate economy, it could never survive without that handouts from the South. You may wish to parrot spurious claims and propaganda from the mayor but the data say otherwise:
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Of which that shows that large cities have areas of depravation where as the lowest are areas like Epsom and Ewell, I think most are able to understand why that might be

By nearly every metric Burnham has improved Manchester and its now:

- World class broadcasting and entertainments centre
- World class arts hub
- World class Meetings & events centre including a hub for creative agencies
- Inward investment from major industry
- Major international Hospitality investment into the city
- Integrated and improvement of transport systems seeing their use rise massively

No one is claiming he could do it without money from elsewhere, but he has fought for that money and made vast improvements to the city, its nearly unrecognisable to that before he took over and as someone who has 20+ clients in the city and being up there as much as I am, I can tell you the barometer from businesses there are HUGELY favourable of his impact. If he delivers on the promises of the growth fund, his legacy will be set for a long time in the city

That's not propaganda, that's having skin in the game with it and listening to what people say locally about the guy.

As I say, I take that every day of the week over a Bojo, Truss, Kemi, Farage and Starmer every day of the week
 
Grays_1890 said:
Burnham would be a great PM, at the very least he would have the others on toast verbally and PR wise
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The thing that worries me is that his political judgement (i.e. playing politics, not governing or public communication) seems a bit off. Like he actively engineered Corbyn getting onto the leadership ballot, who then beat him. And his stuff with Starmer is already going the way of Heseltine's Law (the assassin never carries the crown).
 
Grays_1890 said:
Yet has done an absolutely world class job of transforming Manchester fostering economic growth in the city AND has major support from the people he represents because he fights hard for them. They hate him because he fights against them for the better of his city and has been anti Westminster whilst doing it.

I would back a politician on those principals over the vast majority who are out there. Its what all politicians should be striving the be, serving those that vote you in, the issue now is too many are more interested in social media posturing
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The 'King of the North' narrative could be very powerful. He's very different to the Eton/London-centric lot we've had for decades.
 
Gutter Boy said:
The thing that worries me is that his political judgement (i.e. playing politics, not governing or public communication) seems a bit off. Like he actively engineered Corbyn getting onto the leadership ballot, who then beat him. And his stuff with Starmer is already going the way of Heseltine's Law (the assassin never carries the crown).
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Yeh I don't think the guy is perfect, 100%, but who is in the game of politics, as much as The Thick of It is satirical, I think it plays true to the movements within the political world.

But I think as a PM his compass is absolutely right on what would need to be fought for to make the country a better place and if he served the country like he does those in Manchester we would be a much better place for it.

His ability to have kept a HUGELY positive rating amongst people despite Labours fluctuating says alot TBH

And I am not saying he would be the only choice or even the best, but he would be a bloody good one IMO.
 
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Grays_1890 said:
Yeh I don't think the guy is perfect, 100%, but who is in the game of politics, as much as The Thick of It is satirical, I think it plays true to the movements within the political world.

But I think as a PM his compass is absolutely right on what would need to be fought for to make the country a better place and if he served the country like he does those in Manchester we would be a much better place for it.

And I am not saying he would be the only choice or even the best, but he would be a bloody good one IMO.
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As long as he doesn't make the rest of the country as ugly as Manchester. Architecturally it's become by far the worst place in the UK.
 
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