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On linking islam to terrorism it is not racist to say that there is a link between islam and terrorism, because

1) lslam isn't a race and actually recent converts - e.g. white british are proportionally higher risk than established muslim populations from an extremism point of view - partly because established populations say they're muslim and follow broad customs but don't scrutinise the Koran whereas converts are more likely to read all the "sword verses" that call for violence against non muslims and take all that literally)

2) it is a fact. From memory while there is a growing far right terrorism threat and a diminishing but still active northern ireland terrorism threat the vast majority of active counter terrorism operations involve islamic extremism. Therefore while it is an unacceptable generalisation to say all muslims are dangerous extremists it is a simple undisputable fact that the vast majority of dangerous extremists in the UK that have active desires to cause harm to British citizens are muslim.

I think one of the issues with islam as a religion is that the absolute central foundational principle of islam is that Mohammad was given the last word of the lord and recorded this word for word in the book (the holy quran) and this book is the last book that superceeds the proceeding books and represents the direct instructions of the lord.

Whereas the bible by contrast is not seen as the direct word of Jesus or GHod the bible is the recounting of the teachings of Jesus by the disciples.

So theres far less room for interpretation in Islam and therefore where Mohammad in the "ayat as sayf" calls for believers to kill non-believers wherever you find them, unless they convert or pay a tax or seek your protection, this is interpreted by a not insignificant proportion of respected islamic scholars as a call for jihad and a duty on muslims to work towards a world dominated by islamic law and belief. These versions of the teachings do work their way into British mosques and madrassas and islamic schools and unfortunately represent a significant and growing threat to all of us and the stability of this xountry
 
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LutonSpurs said:
Bro the guy is an unhinged child with a keyboard. He doesn't address any points, he contradicts himself constantly. He writes like a toddler. There's little point expecting a debate as he just doesn't have the marbles to see past his own silly views.
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The audacity from you who hides behind deflecting. I’ve made my position very clear about the clear disdain I have for sharia, Islamists and Islamism. I’ve also made it very clear that I do not hate Muslims. They have the brain capacity to not believe in it also.

You on the other hand have retorted to trying to brush off your stance on sharia stupidity and tried to hide behind you loling and trying every which way to steer well clear of your views on the stupidity that it is.

You want to call everything racist but will not call out sharia which is pretty right wing in itself yet want to brand anyone who may agree with SOME of Tommy Robinsons views as all racists.

Your heritage is Pakistani and you should know how the terrorist haven of Pakistan harbours sharia, wastes IMF money daily and worst of all the bacha baazi (child sex brothels).

Unhinged? Like I said it’s all fun and games it’s a forum.
 
Baleforce said:
I don't think anyone on here, who isn't also a racist, is claiming that.

You march with Yaxley Lennon, you are marching with Yaxley Lennon.

When people tell you, or show you, who they are, believe them.
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The thing for me, for the most, is you can have issue with Islam, you can be worried about the future, you can be concerned about immigration

BUT you can also be all those things and still not align or stand shoulder to shoulder with Farage and TR where it is clear as day what they are.

For me there is clear distinction, which others seems to be lost in with the "well some of our views align"
 
Grays_1890 said:
The thing for me, for the most, is you can have issue with Islam, you can be worried about the future, you can be concerned about immigration

BUT you can also be all those things and still not align or stand shoulder to shoulder with Farage and TR where it is clear as day what they are.

For me there is clear distinction, which others seems to be lost in with the "well some of our views align"
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Well you don’t have to agree or disagree on totality with an individual or a movement.
 
Grays_1890 said:
The thing for me, for the most, is you can have issue with Islam, you can be worried about the future, you can be concerned about immigration

BUT you can also be all those things and still not align or stand shoulder to shoulder with Farage and TR where it is clear as day what they are.

For me there is clear distinction, which others seems to be lost in with the "well some of our views align"
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Why worry about Islam? I don't get that. I'm a massive atheist. I specifically worry about Christian Nationalism and Wahhabism, because they seek to impose oppression on other people and their bodies. But Islam is as mundane as Buddhism or Quakerism. Be specific and say Wahhabism if that's what you mean.
 
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Gazza said:
Well you don’t have to agree or disagree on totality with an individual or a movement.
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Of course but equally you can call out the bad in them whilst agreeing with some of their points.

I would argue you don't have to stand with them at all and still be true to your own values

Otherwise it's all abit Thomas Partey
 
Gazza said:
The audacity from you who hides behind deflecting. I’ve made my position very clear about the clear disdain I have for sharia, Islamists and Islamism. I’ve also made it very clear that I do not hate Muslims. They have the brain capacity to not believe in it also.

You on the other hand have retorted to trying to brush off your stance on sharia stupidity and tried to hide behind you loling and trying every which way to steer well clear of your views on the stupidity that it is.

You want to call everything racist but will not call out sharia which is pretty right wing in itself yet want to brand anyone who may agree with SOME of Tommy Robinsons views as all racists.

Your heritage is Pakistani and you should know how the terrorist haven of Pakistan harbours sharia, wastes IMF money daily and worst of all the bacha baazi (child sex brothels).

Unhinged? Like I said it’s all fun and games it’s a forum.
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Not reading all that. Have a break kid.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Why worry about Islam? I don't get that. I'm a massive atheist. I specifically worry about Christian Nationalism and Wahhabism, because they seek to impose oppression on other people and their bodies. But Islam is as mundane as Buddhism or Quakerism. Be specific and say Wahhabism if that's what you mean.
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Unless im missing your tone, I don't have an issue with Islam, I've just come back from 3 weeks in an Islamic country. I was making a point.

Christianity is as bad as anything, look as the church continues to refuse investigations etc

It's also a book whose origins were built around rape and incest
 
LutonSpurs said:
Dude i think you are alone on this one. Literally nobody reading this thinks you make sense.
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Again because you have the consensus on it. Can’t defend sharia and then tries to act like everyone else thinks like you. Dude no one in their right mind can support sharia. I think you actually have missed people posting that they are quite ok with opposing it and questioning religion including Islam. You must have conveniently missed that.

Again missing yet another opportunity to put it to bed. lol but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt since you love the UK and the provisions afforded to you living in a democratic civilised society otherwise you would and your family wouldn’t be here. I’ll give you that much…fingers crossed.
 
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Unless im missing your tone, I don't have an issue with Islam, I've just come back from 3 weeks in an Islamic country. I was making a point.

Christianity is as bad as anything, look as the church continues to refuse investigations etc

It's also a book whose origins were built around rape and incest
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Yes, sorry, my tone didn't come across right. I didn't mean 'you' specifically. I was addressing the theoretical people whose views you were discussing. I definitely didn't intend as a personal accusation or to assume that you held those views, I understood you were presenting an academic argument. I should have written in 3rd rather than 2nd person.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Yes, sorry, my tone didn't come across right. I didn't mean 'you' specifically. I was addressing the theoretical people whose views you were discussing. I definitely didn't intend as a personal accusation or to assume that you held those views, I understood you were presenting an academic argument. I should have written in 3rd rather than 2nd person.
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All good mate
 
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