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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Gazza said:
World leaders think otherwise and the international community think otherwise.
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Israel has nukes. Therefore it doesnt have to abide by international expectations of conduct. It can be as pariah as it likes and will still be appeased. Because they could end the world if they sulk. Same as North Korea
 
Gutter Boy said:
Israel has nukes. Therefore it doesnt have to abide by international expectations of conduct. It can be as pariah as it likes and will still be appeased. Because they could end the world if they sulk. Same as North Korea
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Well let’s see, but let’s be honest we can say that about any country that holds nukes. I’m surprised Trump hasn’t launched a few already
 
Gazza said:
Well let’s see, but let’s be honest we can say that about any country that holds nukes. I’m surprised Trump hasn’t launched a few already
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I imagine at least one sane person in the American military has switched the nuclear codes in the briefcase with a book of sudoku.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I imagine at least one sane person in the American military has switched the nuclear codes in the briefcase with a book of sudoku.
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Unfortunately the inevitable is that Gaza will be taken over by the US. A puppet government will be in power for the foreseeable future and then eventually we will end up to where we are now and then Israel will take Gaza in full. That’s my prediction going by history.
 
Gazza said:
Unfortunately the inevitable is that Gaza will be taken over by the US. A puppet government will be in power for the foreseeable future and then eventually we will end up to where we are now and then Israel will take Gaza in full. That’s my prediction going by history.
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I think an American takeover is preferable to an Israeli one (though it should really be UN). America will get bored, esp as there's no resources there. It buys time for reconstruction and civil society to re-emerge.

Unless Israel go full ethnic cleansing, like happened last year with the Armenian enclave in Azerbaijan, national self determination will ultimately win out, just like it did in Europe in the early 90s
 

Voters have a choice between decency or division, Starmer to tell Labour conference​


Cheek of this bell-end to go on about decency with all the scandal he and his party has had since they got elected
Not to mention the skeletons in his closest which haven't officially seen the light of day yet
He wouldn't know what decency was if it smashed him in the face
 
www.bbc.co.uk

Nigel Farage doesn't like Britain, Keir Starmer says in speech to Labour Party conference

The prime minister criticises the "politics of grievance" and those who promoted "Brexit lies".
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"You've got a choice between decency and division

Reform and their voters are all racists and you and I at this conference are on the right side of history. We are decent people.

When i stood up a few months ago and said that immigration had made us an island of strangers, that wasn't me speaking, it was the focus groups i attended that told me to say it.

10% poll drop later though, it is clear to me and my advisers that taking on Reform on their own turf was an utterly du*b a££ thing to do. So i am now determined to call them out for the divisive things they say and do.

I hope this change shows you, conference, the clarity and consistency of message that we, the Labour Party, have provided in government."
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Nigel Farage doesn't like Britain, Keir Starmer says in speech to Labour Party conference

The prime minister criticises the "politics of grievance" and those who promoted "Brexit lies".
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

"You've got a choice between decency and division

Reform and their voters are all racists and you and I at this conference are on the right side of history. We are decent people.

When i stood up a few months ago and said that immigration had made us an island of strangers, that wasn't me speaking, it was the focus groups i attended that told me to say it.

10% poll drop later though, it is clear to me and my advisers that taking on Reform on their own turf was an utterly du*b a££ thing to do. So i am now determined to call them out for the divisive things they say and do.

I hope this change shows you, conference, the clarity and consistency of message that we, the Labour Party, have provided in government."
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He is a total and utter clam who has nothing about him apart from an ability to lie and fudge the country up
 
markysimmo said:
He is a total and utter clam who has nothing about him apart from an ability to lie and fudge the country up
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The way he just pledges himself to a set of values and principles before casually throwing them in the bin puts him in the very worst category of slimey politician. Just look at his pledges on Labour policy he made to win the party leadership. "I'm a socialist don't you know" becomes climbing down on proposed benefit cuts due to backbench revolt within months. He's as prolific a cameleon as Boris but without any of the entertainment or charisma. And everything that comes out of his mouth or social media is either ChatGPT or latest summary of focus group analysis rather than his own opinion. He's utterly vacant. "Vacant" is the most apt one word description of him.
 
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Silly McSilly Face said:
The way he just pledges himself to a set of values and principles before casually throwing them in the bin puts him in the very worst category of slimey politician. Just look at his pledges on Labour policy he made to win the party leadership. "I'm a socialist don't you know" becomes climbing down on proposed benefit cuts due to backbench revolt within months. He's as prolific a cameleon as Boris but without any of the entertainment or charisma. And everything that comes out of his mouth or social media is either ChatGPT or latest summary of focus group analysis rather than his own opinion. He's utterly vacant. "Vacant" is the most apt one word description of him.
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Yep, a hypocrite of the highest order
 
Glenda's Legs said:
I’m no fan of Starmer but he can’t hold a candle to Boris in the charlatan stakes.
(Low bar I know).
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He is getting there fast

Key Controversies & Allegations​


  1. “Free gifts / hospitality / disclosure” (“Freebie-gate”)
    • In September 2024, media reports emerged that Starmer had failed initially to declare ~£5,000 of clothes gifted to his wife by Labour donor Waheed Alli. Wikipedia+3Wikipedia+3The Guardian+3
    • It also emerged that since 2019 he had accepted gifts, hospitality, and benefits totaling over £107,145, including tickets to concerts and football matches, more than any other MP in the same period. Wikipedia+3Wikipedia+3Wikipedia+3
    • The “gift-acceptance” issue has been described in media as undermining the image of integrity Starmer sought to project. The New Yorker+2Wikipedia+2
  2. “Cash for access / cronyism” / donor access to Downing Street
    • Early in his premiership, it was reported that Waheed Alli (a significant donor) had been granted a security pass to Downing Street, and hosted a party there for other Labour donors. That raised suspicion of “cash for access” or cronyism. Wikipedia
    • Critics argued it blurred boundaries between government and party/donor influence. The New Yorker+1
  3. Grooming gangs / child sexual abuse inquiries & past role as DPP
    • Elon Musk, in posts on X, accused Starmer of being “complicit” in mass child rape scandals and criticized his handling of historic grooming gang cases. The Week+3euronews+3The Guardian+3
    • The argument is that, as Director of Public Prosecutions (2008–2013), he may have failed to act fully in certain cases. The Week+2Reuters+2
    • For some time, Starmer resisted calls for a full statutory national inquiry into grooming gangs; critics saw this resistance as evasive. The Independent+2The New Yorker+2
    • In June 2025, under mounting pressure, he agreed to establish such an inquiry. The Independent+1
  4. Benefit cap / social welfare criticism / internal party dissent
    • Starmer’s government has refused to abolish the “benefit cap”, a controversial welfare limit introduced under earlier governments. That decision has drawn criticism from within his party and from social justice groups. Wikipedia+2Wikipedia+2
    • In July 2024, Labour withdrew the whip from seven of its MPs who supported an amendment to scrap the cap, prompting accusations of internal suppression of dissent. Wikipedia
  5. Farmers’ protests / “tractor tax” controversy
    • In response to proposed changes to inheritance tax rules on family farms, large numbers of farmers protested—seeing it as a “tractor tax” or unfair burden. Wikipedia
    • The government defended the changes as necessary revenue measures, but politically the protests represented a flashpoint of discontent. Wikipedia+1
  6. Delays, U-turns, perceived cautiousness
    • Many commentators have criticized Starmer for being overly cautious, slow to commit to inquiries or bold reforms, and for U-turns under pressure. The New Yorker+2Wikipedia+2
    • For example, the decision to agree to a grooming gang inquiry was seen by critics as delayed. The Independent
  7. Public perception, low popularity, “scandals of management”
    • Some commentators describe his early premiership as having a “depressing atmosphere,” “office gossip,” and “minor scandal over alleged corruption” (or suggestions thereof), even if not proven. The New Yorker
    • His popularity has also dropped since taking office, with polls showing growing public distrust or fatigue. Al Jazeera+1
 
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