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It doesn't really work like that though because you'll be losing the income from fuel duty etc etc but you're pushing down on inflation and releasing money into the economy meaning people spend more, businesses might take on more staff. Productivity is what really drives revenue as most of your revenue will come from the core taxes that target economic activity - VAT, income tax and corporation tax.
When any political party does anything that will reduce treasury intake....they're always asked to cost it out.

Increasing productivity has been elusive for ages.(before this cost of living crisis) For example, your productivity ain't going nowhere but south....as you're on here all day:) .

The inflation of the last 4 years (?) is locked in....we are not going to have a negative inflation number, so the struggles many face are locked in as well.
Reducing inflation by reducing the tax intake is noble but has no control over the main driver's of inflation. 5% vat off fuel bills will give someone £10 a month...I'd spend that £10 and give the treasury £2 back in Vat. What's the point.
Most people's spending isn't feeding into a thriving economy, it's into a surviving economy.

Anyone knows the answer to much cheaper long term energy....we just need to get on with it.
 
When any political party does anything that will reduce treasury intake....they're always asked to cost it out.

Increasing productivity has been elusive for ages.(before this cost of living crisis) For example, your productivity ain't going nowhere but south....as you're on here all day:) .

The inflation of the last 4 years (?) is locked in....we are not going to have a negative inflation number, so the struggles many face are locked in as well.
Reducing inflation by reducing the tax intake is noble but has no control over the main driver's of inflation. 5% vat off fuel bills will give someone £10 a month...I'd spend that £10 and give the treasury £2 back in Vat. What's the point.
Most people's spending isn't feeding into a thriving economy, it's into a surviving economy.

Anyone knows the answer to much cheaper long term energy....we just need to get on with it.
The media asking politicians to cost things out is one of the biggest lies presented to the public. Something that always bugged me - while I get it appeals to present the public finances as though they're a household budget it simply doesn't work like that. As much as I am no Corbyn fan I did want to shout at the people heckling him saying there was "no magic money tree" - i was like ....there sodding is, its called the Bank of England - they can literally create money!

Anyway I always explain it that taxation, borrowing and monetary issuance are best described as control leavers of the economy - you reduce taxation, borrowing and issue money to make it go faster. You increase taxation, borrowing etc to make it go slower.

You create fiscal policy to generate outcomes. Incentives and disincentives.

A lot of our politicians are clueless about this also and the labour party tend to be particularly clueless.

Non-dom status - this is not about exemption people from tax, its about incentivising investment in the UK.

Increasing NIEC - its a tax on jobs - the government are literally disincentivising employment. Absolutely macaronic.

As such its more about creating "an environment" within which people operate. Its the cumulative impact of policy in the round that gets lost.

You have £10 a month that the treasury no longer has. You spend it in a shop and the treasury gets £2. So what's the point? Well the point is the shop is doing better than before and as there's 100 more people spending £10s they need to take on another assistant. So you've instantly swapped the £1,000 lost from the treasury for potentially someone off benefits paying income tax and NI.

But as per cumulation, it's the reduction in VAT, its the reduction in green levies, its the cumulative impact of reducing energy costs for people, and businesses. Inflation isn't necessarily baked in, market forces can reduce prices as well as raise prices. The government are currently trying to induce those market forces by making people poorer so they stop spending so prices are forced to reduce. They're not being honest with the public but thats what they are doing.

FYI - i don't agree with his solution (wealth taxes) as I don't think they work but Gary Stevenson is a good watch on YouTube from the perspective of explaining broader economic concepts in terms of the fundamental structural challenge of our (and most western) economies of more and more people fighting over fewer and fewer resources.
 
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FYI - i don't agree with his solution (wealth taxes) as I don't think they work but Gary Stevenson is a good watch on YouTube from the perspective of explaining broader economic concepts in terms of the fundamental structural challenge of our (and most western) economies of more and more people fighting over fewer and fewer resources.
Gary is not a great communicator...he has too much angst and anger. He's always on the brink of thinking 'you just don't get it' and it frustrates him. That said the last 5 minutes of his latest video 'Refugee Protests' is essential viewing (he doesn't usually talk about this subject.

Richard J Murphy (the fella with the white hair) is much better on finance...concisely explaining and dissecting the concepts.
 
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The media asking politicians to cost things out is one of the biggest lies presented to the public. Something that always bugged me - while I get it appeals to present the public finances as though they're a household budget it simply doesn't work like that. As much as I am no Corbyn fan I did want to shout at the people heckling him saying there was "no magic money tree" - i was like ....there sodding is, its called the Bank of England - they can literally create money!

Anyway I always explain it that taxation, borrowing and monetary issuance are best described as control leavers of the economy - you reduce taxation, borrowing and issue money to make it go faster. You increase taxation, borrowing etc to make it go slower.

You create fiscal policy to generate outcomes. Incentives and disincentives.

A lot of our politicians are clueless about this also and the labour party tend to be particularly clueless.

Non-dom status - this is not about exemption people from tax, its about incentivising investment in the UK.

Increasing NIEC - its a tax on jobs - the government are literally disincentivising employment. Absolutely macaronic.

As such its more about creating "an environment" within which people operate. Its the cumulative impact of policy in the round that gets lost.

You have £10 a month that the treasury no longer has. You spend it in a shop and the treasury gets £2. So what's the point? Well the point is the shop is doing better than before and as there's 100 more people spending £10s they need to take on another assistant. So you've instantly swapped the £1,000 lost from the treasury for potentially someone off benefits paying income tax and NI.

But as per cumulation, it's the reduction in VAT, its the reduction in green levies, its the cumulative impact of reducing energy costs for people, and businesses. Inflation isn't necessarily baked in, market forces can reduce prices as well as raise prices. The government are currently trying to induce those market forces by making people poorer so they stop spending so prices are forced to reduce. They're not being honest with the public but thats what they are doing.

FYI - i don't agree with his solution (wealth taxes) as I don't think they work but Gary Stevenson is a good watch on YouTube from the perspective of explaining broader economic concepts in terms of the fundamental structural challenge of our (and most western) economies of more and more people fighting over fewer and fewer resources.
I think you can slice and dice it many ways, and how anyone can guess what lever combo does what and what result that delivers is just so opaque these days given the complicated structure of everything.

There are some simple truths. Governments aren't the people with the money... nearly all indebted to critical levels.
The line where people are struggling or just operating a no frills life is creeping higher and higher.
So there's a sucking sound coming from somewhere? And I think Gary Stevenson is looking in the right direction. How do you correct that? Especially when the super rich control the attention economy. As he said at the end of the video I referenced....they've got us looking at each other....pointing and shouting.

A simple question.
You can't tax or regulate the rich?. Well if governments and the middle and lower classes need more of it (money) ....where's it going to come from?
 
I think you can slice and dice it many ways, and how anyone can guess what lever combo does what and what result that delivers is just so opaque these days given the complicated structure of everything.

There are some simple truths. Governments aren't the people with the money... nearly all indebted to critical levels.
The line where people are struggling or just operating a no frills life is creeping higher and higher.
So there's a sucking sound coming from somewhere? And I think Gary Stevenson is looking in the right direction. How do you correct that? Especially when the super rich control the attention economy. As he said at the end of the video I referenced....they've got us looking at each other....pointing and shouting.

A simple question.
You can't tax or regulate the rich?. Well if governments and the middle and lower classes need more of it (money) ....where's it going to come from?
You can tax and regulate the rich. On income tax, the top 1% of earners comtribute 30% of revenue. Just for example. The issue i have with wealth taxes isn't so much the sentiment behind what the likes of Stevenson say, its translating that into a workable policy that achieves the aims you want without being an act of self harm. Wealth taxes are generally very poorly performing and do not result in asset redistribution.

Taxing wealth is fundamentally a tax on wealth creation, one of the drivers of economic activity itself. The problems you encounter implementing a wealth tax are illustrated by the limited company share paradox.

E.g. Gary S. thinks wealth above £10 million should be taxed.

I set up my own business as a limited company, with capital of 100 £1 shares. After a while, it has kind of taken off, turning over £20 million a year. I'm drawing salary as a director and paying myself dividends, equivalent to £100k a year. I am now very well off but not super rich yet and I am working almost 12 hours a day.

The business is valued at about £40 million.

How are you valuing my shares in the company for the purpose of a wealth tax? If you value them at £100, there is a massive hole in your tax and it will just get avoided. If you are valuing them at £40 million and try and tax me 2% (£800k), I don't have that sort of money to give HMRC and i'd be bankrupt. Which totally disincentivises business.

I think there are better ways - we do not go in for sovereign wealth funds much in the west. We have started tinkering about with it in the UK. We should really invest in it. The state should buy up assets as investments. We could recreate our gold reserves,.invest in asset portfolios. All sorts. We could tax land rather than other assets.
 
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