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The 'If You Still Need to Purge Yourself Of Ange' Thread

Does this thread need to exist?

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Spoonman said:
It's turned into a pointless kind of thread. The Ange debate just goes round in circles with he same arguments rehashed time and time again. Neither side of the argument is ever gonna change their opinion and we all just need to accept that and move on.

I understand the reason for starting this thread, but I think all it has done is give the subject momentum and kept it front and center of people's thoughts rather than let it slowly fade into the background as would naturally happen over time.
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well the mods can't be bothered to move it & as long as it has a spurs link somewhere it can stay. I think I will start a bill nic thread tomorrow a Keith burkinshaw the day after
 
kb 1984 said:
well the mods can't be bothered to move it & as long as it has a spurs link somewhere it can stay. I think I will start a bill nic thread tomorrow a Keith burkinshaw the day after
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Neither of those thread topics would be out of place in SN&V...

I was going to move it over once pre-season had started, as that'd be the natural end of post 24/25 season and it's not like there's much else being discussed atm other than transfer talk in the dedicated transfer forum. Nothing to do with not being bothered 😕
 
billyiddo said:
Neither of those thread topics would be out of place in SN&V...

I was going to move it over once pre-season had started, as that'd be the natural end of post 24/25 season and it's not like there's much else being discussed atm other than transfer talk in the dedicated transfer forum. Nothing to do with not being bothered 😕
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But they would belong in general & I am sure I could find those threads in general if I searched it

Yeah Yeah more excuses not to move it
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Its the bielsa effect. Very unique (but flawed) style of play hits teams like a steamroller. Then we get picked apart by Chelsea and suddenly thats the blue print right there and that blueprint has been honed by opposition managers over time to the point where we are very easy to beat. It's basically "lads, its Tottenham, if you do this, you're going to beat them 9/10". He didn't play like that in the later stages of the Europa. But we aren't going to tolerate a season of 27% possession camping on the edge of our own box are we?
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When Gary O’Neill was at Wolves and they won against us he gave a post-match interview to Sky in which he was pretty clear on the gameplan which teams were using to beat us. Opposition players said similar things in other post-match interviews too. Our response was to continue playing the same way in the PL - and to continue racking up the defeats.

kb 1984 said:
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Now tipped to go to Saudi or the States. Says a lot in itself.
 
Mikey10 said:
When Gary O’Neill was at Wolves and they won against us he gave a post-match interview to Sky in which he was pretty clear on the gameplan which teams were using to beat us. Opposition players said similar things in other post-match interviews too. Our response was to continue playing the same way in the PL - and to continue racking up the defeats.



Now tipped to go to Saudi or the States. Says a lot in itself.
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Don't care where he goes I wish him all the best & hope he is successful wherever he ends up. As long as it's not against us
 
Mikey10 said:
When Gary O’Neill was at Wolves and they won against us he gave a post-match interview to Sky in which he was pretty clear on the gameplan which teams were using to beat us. Opposition players said similar things in other post-match interviews too. Our response was to continue playing the same way in the PL - and to continue racking up the defeats.



Now tipped to go to Saudi or the States. Says a lot in itself.
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Inzaghi is in Saudi Arabia. Is he a poor manager?
 
billyiddo said:
Give it a rest mate, thread will move over once preseason starts - if you want to discuss Ange in the spirit of the thread crack on, otherwise stopping clogging up discussion.
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Whatever. have I clogged up discussion just because you don't like it tough it's a discussion board. You would notice I have added pictures & videos of Ange in this very thread it just doesn't belong here.
 
The search function shows up plenty of threads discussing ex managers still sitting in SN&V…

Threads have a life of their own, they will drop away when people run out of things to say.
 
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kb 1984 said:
Whatever. have I clogged up discussion just because you don't like it tough it's a discussion board. You would notice I have added pictures & videos of Ange in this very thread it just doesn't belong here.
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You've clogged up discussion with your continuous bleeting about the threads relevance to SN&V - I've explained why it's here and when it will be moving, which is more than I need to do tbh and afaic is perfectly reasonable. Sorry if you disagree but thems the breaks.
 
billyiddo said:
You've clogged up discussion with your continuous bleeting about the threads relevance to SN&V - I've explained why it's here and when it will be moving, which is more than I need to do tbh and afaic is perfectly reasonable. Sorry if you disagree but thems the breaks.
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As I said whatever. I don't want to clog up the board with discussion on a discussion board I would tell you what I really think but then I might get banned. Don't bother replying I am not interested in what you have to say & I definitely don't want to clog up the board with a pointless conversation with you
 
BrainOfLevy said:
The idea that the blueprint was discovered doesn’t make sense. We still won lots of games after that first Chelsea game. Including beating really big teams away from home. We also lost to inferior teams at home. If the blueprint was out, we would routinely get destroyed by literally every team.
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Not necessarily. As I've said its the start of a blue print that was at first only intermittently successful but it was refined over time to the point that, yes, we routinely got destroyed by literally every kind of team.....even to the point where we conceded quite a few decent chances against Tamworth and got taken to extra time. Some of those performances over the season were embarrassing.
 
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thfcsteff said:
I didn't make anything up. I might well have misinterpreted? Albeit given your subsequent answer I don't think so (let's be clear, I was using the term 'spectrum' in regards to 'shades' of colour -in this case, grey). I am not sure who you are referring to in your first paragraph? It'd be rather bold if you were inferring anyone here?...

Your second paragraph? I'm not sure what you're getting at. You're presenting that approach as if it is unique to a small sub-sect of people? I think most people (especially in this situation) are in the same place? Am I misinterpreting again?
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Whatever you said I hope we can agree that it wasn't a true interpretation of what I originally said. I obviously felt the need to preserve my original thought process in my response. It's one of psychometrics in the way different people think. There is no right or wrong. Each to their own on that one.

BTW, all I was saying in my second paragraph was that fans have a level of exposure and can share opinions, also using a lot of data. THFC had a much deeper level of exposure and they were the decision makers. There will inevitably be a difference between our case notes and their case notes. I guess in some way the THFC board and decision makers are a small subset but only in the context of being the decision maker. I guess I was putting myself in their position. It wasn't a new concept though. Way before Ange departed I did make this point about their world and our world. So did many others.
 
Mikey10 said:
When Gary O’Neill was at Wolves and they won against us he gave a post-match interview to Sky in which he was pretty clear on the gameplan which teams were using to beat us. Opposition players said similar things in other post-match interviews too. Our response was to continue playing the same way in the PL - and to continue racking up the defeats.



Now tipped to go to Saudi or the States. Says a lot in itself.
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Exactly. There is a downwards trend in PPG clearly evident after the Chelsea game and that trend was never arrested. Thats a clear sign of us being worked out and then that blue-print being refined over time to the point where there was a very well refined blueprint to beat us in place across the PL resulting in us losing the majority of our games.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Not necessarily. As I've said its the start of a blue print that was at first only intermittently successful but it was refined over time to the point that, yes, we routinely got destroyed by literally every kind of team.....
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You don't get your players up to speed with a complex system that quickly - Ange made reference early on that when his system is fully implemented the players actions on the pitch will look natural/spontaneous but in truth everything will be fully regimented (similar to what Conte said about his approach - every action being preplanned given any circumstance the game throws up) so those first 10 games were clearly not the blueprint given the timeframe and you can see that with the way certain players were playing then vs how they were playing this season - Maddison & Sons roles for example were night and day imv there are probably other examples but these two stand out for me.

It'll be the same with Frank, he will come in to a team that has been coached how to play Ange's way for 2 years, the players will all carry over a lot of that coaching and in-game instinct, even if subconciously, and it will also take Frank time to get his ideas & methods in to the players - early this season will likely be a mishmash before things start to settle and Frank's ideas become more embedded.
 
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billyiddo said:
You don't get your players up to speed with a complex system that quickly - Ange made reference early on that when his system is fully implemented the players actions on the pitch will look natural/spontaneous but in truth everything will be fully regimented (similar to what Conte said about his approach - every action being preplanned given any circumstance the game throws up) so those first 10 games were clearly not the blueprint given the timeframe and you can see that with the way certain players were playing then vs how they were playing this season - Maddison & Sons roles for example were night and day imv there are probably other examples but these two stand out for me.
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So what youre saying is that the only time we looked like a decent team was because the players weren't doing what Ange wanted. Sounds about right....

....joking aside I do think you're right, I think the players didn't take as many risks in those early games, Maddison got on the ball more and made the play and looked a better, more consistent player and the full backs didn't congest play and leave as many gaps out wide. I think there is probably a combination of Ange implementing his methods and as he did so, gaps opened up more, injuries mounted and teams worked out how to exploit it hence the constant trend in declining results and performances....
 
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