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American politics

Lost Mango said:
Bit harsh to say Egyptians, Babylonians and Romans persecuted the Jews specifically. They were just another conquered people to them and were treated no differently to other subjagated communities (which at times made them the specific spacegoat and at other times meant other communities felt the wrath)

The Christians on the other hand .......
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Probably important to say this again. Disliking Israel for being evil has nothing to do with which GHod they believe in. It'd because they are evil and do many many evil things.
 
Lost Mango said:
Bit harsh to say Egyptians, Babylonians and Romans persecuted the Jews specifically. They were just another conquered people to them and were treated no differently to other subjagated communities (which at times made them the specific spacegoat and at other times meant other communities felt the wrath)

The Christians on the other hand .......
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I wasn’t there, it’s not first hand experience.

There has been a lot published on persecution of the Jewish race, they are notable groups in the timeline that are often referenced.
 
Baleforce said:
I wasn’t there, it’s not first hand experience.

There has been a lot published on persecution of the Jewish race, they are notable groups in the timeline that are often referenced.
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By the timelines referenced I assume you mean the Bible?

They have a 'better' written history than many other tribes that were enslaved or deported etc (but what can be deciphered from other non-jewish sources suggests that they were just one 'other' people out of many) in pre-literate times but we know that in Roman times they were treated the same as many other peoples.
 
Lost Mango said:
@Silly McSilly Face

So given there was no immediate credible threat to the USA, can we agree that under usual international standards them bombing a soverign country with no provocation is illegal? Even if they were doing it on behalf of their puppet regime?
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How do you know there was no immediate credible threat? Credible intelligence and evidence that there was an immediate credible threat would likely come from a compromise within the Iranian regime and continued intelligence from that source/those sources and the safety of that/those sources will need to be protected by not releasing said intelligence/evidence outside of extremely closed inner circle. And in fact, likely to be protected further by briefing lower ranking western politicians and the media that there is no credible immediate threat similarly to how the US moved large volumes of equipment and aircraft to the west coast in the run up to launching the attack from the east coast......you and we will never know whether there was actually credible intelligence/evidence of an imminent nuclear threat.
 
It’s funny to see how quick the same right wingers who (rightly) lamented Labour for Iraq in the UK and Republicans who lamented American involvement in wars… now suddenly the first to justify it

A few months ago they would all have been praising Trump for not getting involved in wars.

Now Trump says “they sky is purple” And so they sky is purple, was purple and always will be purple.
 
Its quite telling he same people who have said the West shouldn’t get bugged down in any sort of “proxy war” are suddenly seeking to justify actual direct military action
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
We don't know what we don't know.

1) start a war? This sh*t has been going on for decades.
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That’s correct for decades Netanyahu has been claiming that Iran is months away from developing a nuclear warhead. Those months have some incredible elasticity
Silly McSilly Face said:
2) The point is, you don't know whether it’s a maybe or a probably.
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Remember the lies about wmds to justify the Iraq war?

Given that the trump administration was saying in March that there was no indication of Iran being anywhere near developing nuclear warheads this so a remarkably quick turnaround
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
How do you know there was no immediate credible threat? Credible intelligence and evidence that there was an immediate credible threat would likely come from a compromise within the Iranian regime and continued intelligence from that source/those sources and the safety of that/those sources will need to be protected by not releasing said intelligence/evidence outside of extremely closed inner circle. And in fact, likely to be protected further by briefing lower ranking western politicians and the media that there is no credible immediate threat similarly to how the US moved large volumes of equipment and aircraft to the west coast in the run up to launching the attack from the east coast......you and we will never know whether there was actually credible intelligence/evidence of an imminent nuclear threat.
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Bombing North Korea tomorrow?? Or any time in the last 3 decades? Much more credible threat to USA and its Allies and yet .....
 
Crab.C.Nesbitt said:
That’s correct for decades Netanyahu has been claiming that Iran is months away from developing a nuclear warhead. Those months have some incredible elasticity

Remember the lies about wmds to justify the Iraq war?

Given that the trump administration was saying in March that there was no indication of Iran being anywhere near developing nuclear warheads this so a remarkably quick turnaround
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1) You can't say that intelligence failures/engineering of intelligence over 2 decades ago mean we should never act on intelligence again. Every case must be considered on its own merits.
2) Iran HAS been months away from developing a nuclear warhead for years. And theres been a concerted effort by the international community and private sector to prevent them from taking those last steps. For example, UNSCRs and FATF recommendations have been issued since the early 00s re: Iran's attempted use of criminal networks and front companies to obtain WMD, including nuclear weapons. These threat assessments have been increasing in severity and in September 2022 the UK govt passed an SI that made it a regulatory requirement for UK banks to assess and mitigate proliferation financing risks specifically in relation to UN counter-proliferation resolutions against Iran and north korea.
3) There are clearly intelligence breaches in the heart of the Iranian regime and these need to be protected. Senior Iranian officials have been executed accused of spying on behalf of Mossad and western intelligence. Given known counter-surveillance and counter-espionage techniques, I'd say the very public declarations of "no evidence of Nuclear threat" contrast significantly with the escalating threat assessments, laws passed on the private sector and now military action all of which point to western governments becoming increasingly concerned by Iran's activity.

Contrast that to Iraq where they were trying to wave the intelligence around in everyone's faces....
 
DTA said:
Really don’t understand this post? Are you really revelling in the fact that we might be on the brink of a world wide conflict?

I don’t support Israel’s actions at all or now Americas, but I don’t support Iran giving us a beating… I must have misinterpreted what you are saying there.
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DTA is the great Satan. I will wipe him and everything he stands for off the face of the earth.

The great Johnola will fill the ears of all those who claim not to understand his words with FIRE and pain.

You don’t mind that sort of nonsense then?
 
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