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Ange departs

Ange departs.

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Finney Is Back said:
Surely we all know by now that Levy loves a lackey?

When managers demand too much of the board they go. Poch was the perfect manager for Levy in that sense, though telling he was dismissed as soon as he started to demand ‘expensive new furniture for the nice new house’.

I suspect Frank won’t be particularly demanding of the board which makes him their number 2 candidate even though he has an underwhelming record and certainly not one that would see a true big club appoint him.
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I agree that Levy doesn’t like being challenged.

I do personally disagree that Franks record is underwhelming. I would be happy to have him on board

Don’t forget that we have gone through Conte and Jose who are the two most available serial winners. Both of them were somewhat of coups. And it did not end well

Someone like Frank who has done a steady job at Brentford (but most importantly in the PL) I would be happy to hand the job too

Even Xavi (who don’t get me wrong - I would also take) has had the luxury of managing Barca and has since only been in Qatar.

Poch is the only one I can think of who I would undoubtedly prioritise over Frank. But he has such high compensation package I think it’s unlikely to be doable
 
harr1984 said:
Agree with this from Oliver Holt:

Talk of the succession, of course, is already rife. Thomas Frank, who has done such a consistently brilliant job at Brentford and is one of the best man-managers in the game, is the favourite to take over. Andoni Iraola, the Bournemouth boss, has been mentioned. Others favour a return for former manager Mauricio Pochettino, now the coach of the USA men's national team.

It was a logical, cogent statement that took all the emotionof Bilbao out of the equation and in some ways it is easy to sympathise with the decision. After all, when Manchester United abandoned their plan to fire Erik ten Hag after he had led the club to an FA Cup final victory over Emirates Marketing Project, it backfired on them spectacularly and they were lambasted for the naivety of their decision.

This feels different, though. For one thing, United are a team used to winning things. Even in the context of the hard times they have fallen upon since the retirement of Sir Alex Ferguson, the FA Cup is a relative trifle compared to the bigger prizes they once chased.

But for Spurs, winning the Europa League in Bilbao felt like a game-changer. I have rarely felt energy like that in a stadium before, the energy of redemption, the energy of renewal and the energy of hope. It should have been the start of something, not the end of something.

Now that Postecoglou has been fired, it feels as if all that momentum and all that magic has been lost. Suddenly, the club have invited ridicule upon themselves again: they hired a manager who won them their first European trophy for 41 years and then they sacked him. It feels, I hate to say it, a little sexy.

It feels, again, like plucking a defeat from the jaws of victory. Because Postecoglou had done the hard part. Victory in Bilbao proved that he was not the impostor some had painted him as. Had Spurs kept faith with him, winning the Europa League would have given Postecoglou added authority next season, not to mention added funds.

United are hardly a model that one should aspire to but they did, at least, keep faith with Ruben Amorim after a league season almost as dire as Tottenham's. They believe in his plan and they are sticking with him. Spurs should have done the same with Big Ange.

Postecoglou had a plan, too. In the early months of his tenure, his team played football that was breathtaking to watch. That was derailed by injuries and it was not until last season's European adventure that Postecoglou proved he could adapt and play more pragmatically.

But he did prove that. He won a trophy to prove it. And next season he would have felt the benefits of all the hardships his side endured last season. He would have reaped the rewards of the experience he gave fine young players such as Archie Gray and Lucas Bergvall. He had a system, a plan. He should have been given a dividend from Spurs' participation in the Champions League to develop his ideas.

Instead, however good the manager is that Spurs appoint — and Frank, in particular, is a man who has earned a shot at managing in the Champions League — Spurs are heading back to that place they know so well called Square One with a new boss who has the unenviable task of trying to follow that success in Bilbao.

What the future holds for Postecoglou, nobody yet knows. For now, like the statue of Ozymandias that Percy Shelley described, he lies like a 'colossal wreck' in the desert of his hopes of building on that one beautiful night in northern Spain.
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That only stands up if you think Ange carries all that momentum and rebirth alone, and we get carried along with it?

When we have failed...it's always been 'the players' or 'this club' that fans and/or departing managers have turned their ire against.

So I don't think this manager takes away in his suitcase all the benefits of actually winning something with him just as the previous departing managers didn't take away all the negatives.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I think people will be surprised. I think any competent manager will have this squad top 4 almost instantly
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I think that’s a very delusional statement.

We would all do well to show respect for the guy who has won us a trophy. We might well be here in 2045 without one.

Winning any trophy is not easy. Especially at Tottenham.

I don’t think we can expect to win instantly crack top 4. This squad has players that all of us (including me) have overestimated and over applauded

What we are is a 17th placed outfit. That’s sign of a lot of work ahead of us.
 
Another season of being patient with the incoming coach, trying to achieve top 4 to qualify for a tournament we have little chance of winning. 2 or 3 seasons down the line and out of the cups and we look for another coach, rinse and repeat.
The other 'big clubs' are in it to win it, we are in it for the money and it ain't changing. Boring.
 
Surfless said:
If the objective is to be in the top 4-6 places maybe. But have we not just removed a guy who has instilled a true will to win a group of players ? I don't want fourth to sixth, I want trophies and Ange showed us how to do that.
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“A true will to win “ what ? We have been awful for 18 months.

Where was that will to win in the league. Plenty of them round Xmas looked to me like they had downed tools.
 
Craig_J said:
Poch is the only one I can think of who I would undoubtedly prioritise over Frank. But he has such high compensation package I think it’s unlikely to be doable
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According to something I read yesterday, should we appoint Frank (who will cost us a reported £9 million) we’ll have paid over £100 million paying off sacked managers/paying compensation for new managers since ENIC took charge.

LutonSpurs said:
Fukin romantics are occasionally swaying me but I still contend that this is an understandable decision and a rational one.

However the players reactions are extraordinary. He really is loved by the players. But these are professionals and they will be fine with the new coach.
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I’d love my boss too if I consistently fudged up - and often didn’t appear - for my day job, but they kept telling me that as long as I turned up and put in a decent shift every other Thursday then all is good. 😃
 
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