Gazza Dazzla
Christian Ziege
We’ve not prioritized the EL in those other seasons we were in it because we’ve still been in a decent position in the league to qualify for CL through that.
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AUDERE EST FACERE - NOW MORE THAN EVER
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Lemonade Money
Nayim
We have a manager who is a serial winner. He just won us our first European trophy in 41 years. Sacking him now would be the most sexy thing ever.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Steffen Freund
It certainly gives teams like us, Fulham, Forest, Brighton and Brentford a far better chance of qualifying for it. I think it's a good thing as previously the money was virtually exclusively reserved for Liverpool, United, Chelsea and Woolwich and gave them a big advantage to get the best players.
Bedfordspurs
Joe Kinnear
I’d take a trophy every season if it meant we didn’t even make the “mighty CL”
For a club that talks about glory, you only really get that with silverware
Robspur12
Jimmy Neighbour
Getting to SF and finals is what big clubs do. The better your team the more likely you are to reach SF and finals. That doesn't mean your priorities don't lie elsewhere though and those less prioritised tournaments are just nice to haves.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Steffen Freund
I know what you mean, but would it transfer our fan base into the entitled groups we see at other more successful clubs? We have enough as it is.
Bedfordspurs
Joe Kinnear
Not sure
But I do think anyone saying we sack the manager right now … without taking a moment to enjoy why we have done is mental
Lemonade Money
Nayim
Pochettino will be available in a year, so why not give Postecoglou another year, with Poch as the fallback if our league form doesn't improve? We will never get relegated, because if that ever became an issue, Ange would prioritise that like he did the Europa.
But, I have a feeling that with a couple of ready made additions to the squad, and with another season under their belt for Solanke and our promising youth, we could be really missing out if we don't stick with Ange.
But, I have a feeling that with a couple of ready made additions to the squad, and with another season under their belt for Solanke and our promising youth, we could be really missing out if we don't stick with Ange.
Grays_1890
Gary Stevens
If your priorities are elsewhere you don't make that volume of finals and SFs mate, football does not allow for it and the competition is too hot for it to allow for it. People paint the picture with stuff like the lie about being commercially savvy as greedy "ohhh they are taking money out" along with a whole host of other lies. When people lie and conflate so much about the truths around the club I am not going to listen to a load of rubbish about priorities being elsewhere when the proof itself in out own time and in football proves another story. Other teams have been better than us, thats football too and I don't buy the "we were underdogs" stuff either, literally every cup we have won we have been the underdog its literally a hurdle all clubs have to jump through bar 2/3 to win things, ironically the time we were hot favourites we lost to Coventry.
Even Pleat and Redknapp who were in some way, "dirtied" by football defended the process and explained why it existed, people don't want to listen and thats fine, but some of us take in the information and facts and process it.
Thats not aimed at you BTW, I am speaking the greater view and folk like the dumb arsed protest ones who don't know what they want to protest about (outside those I believe have a right to protest)
Anyway anyway anyway, before this descends into another Enic thread loss of day, I stand by the above and I am out.......need to plan a month in Abu Dhabi.
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thfcsteff
Tony Galvin
@Muttley @afsoc4life please know I love the conversations you're having, and have my own thoughts (I know what a surprise, especially as a Poch lover) but let's find each other in other threads
p.s. you'll note my hyprocricy as I did dip into this line of chat in this thread LOL!!!!!!
p.s. you'll note my hyprocricy as I did dip into this line of chat in this thread LOL!!!!!!
thfcsteff
Tony Galvin
Here's another question which might get us back on track so to speak.
Would you be more inclined to trust this group of players in a tight, major game thanks to Wednesday night, or would old fears creep in and 'convince' you that Wed was an anomaly?
I think this group [OF PLAYERS BTW!!!!] have got the taste for it...
Would you be more inclined to trust this group of players in a tight, major game thanks to Wednesday night, or would old fears creep in and 'convince' you that Wed was an anomaly?
I think this group [OF PLAYERS BTW!!!!] have got the taste for it...
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Robspur12
Jimmy Neighbour
I'm afraid I disagree mate the evidence shows if you are competitive in the league you will generally get to Sfs and finals. I think the Europa League this year is an anomaly. But fine to agree to disagree. I am not anti Levy btw. I understand the constraints we work under. It would have been nice for more success though in that time
You got your answer
- Misery/anger/preconceptions hold tight, we are back to debating brick that is no longer relevant in anyway, a past that is gone.
Levy/club made a call I would not have, a call I couldn't understand, I would have fired Ange in Nov/Dec, and if he had survived, I would have fired him after the Liverpool 2nd leg. The club didn't, and they were right and I was wrong, and I'm not going to say "it could have gone so wrong", it didn't, the call was right and kudos to them.
The day of the game, I was 100% locked in, regardless of result, Ange is a dead man walking, we should do the professional thing and walk away post season, reset, try again.
Yet, the feeling has changed, the club has changed (it fudging has, sexy, can't get over the line, empty cabinet), in 90 minutes so much was wiped away. I saw players that bought into running themselves into the ground for the club and their manager, I saw fans experience something a lot had never ..
To your point, can we accept we are not the almost club any longer, we were capable of putting in one of those determined, jammy, bodies on the line, players cramping up performances that we always saw other teams do, not ours ..
And if the club decides to give this guy another run, with some backing and perhaps some additions to coaching staff, has he and everyone involved not earned that?
Grays_1890
Gary Stevens
Which goes to my point, aspiring to finish as high as we can and be the best we can helped not hindered us in our drive to be in a position to win things. Fergie once said "to win things you need to be in the position to win things as much as you can because you are never going to win every final"
I think the fact we ideally needed to be in the CL to get the money to be where we needed (esp pre new ground) has been massively manipulated into the reason we have not won things when the facts prove we have put ourselves in more positions to win things than when we were a "Cup Team". It takes more than a boardroom to win and lose trophies and the emphasis put on ours is disproportionate to the reality IMO. The ideas and hypotheticals I keep seeing of "see finish midtable and win things" is a massive distortion on facts and is pipedream rubbish.
The logic doesn't work, lets be a mid table PL club that prioritises winning a cup..........and go into big games as even bigger underdogs despite being underdogs is given as the main complaint of us not winning stuff? It just doesn't stand up for me.
ANYWAY
YIDS
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Mr Gogolak
Erik Edman
It's a bit rich asking you that but... don't you judge these things in context?
For instance, I went into the CL final knowing we were huge outsiders for a variety of reasons (Liverpool were objectively one of the best teams in Europe and we had a few injury problems of our own) but history and past failures were not one of them.
Likewise, despite our miserable season, I always felt Wednesday's game was winnable because we've been consistently beating Man United for quite some time now. I'm not sure I would have been as confident if we'd played Bilbao or Lyon - let alone Liverpool.
Maybe it's an age thing - no disrespect, but I always assumed you're a few years older than I am - but I don't really see where you're coming from with these 'old fears'. As a fan, the confidence you feel going into the game is based on your assessment of both teams' recent performances, isn't it? Even if it isn't, it doesn't make much difference, judging on Wednesday's game: how many pundits claimed United would win because 'they're used to winning'?
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Chrissivad
Michael Carrick
Unfortunately some fans seem to think it's their duty... Given right...? To criticise everything about the club. Board, manager and players.
We just won a European cup, we should all be bouncing at the moment as we have fans going straight for Ange out...
Take a break for a few days. He will still be here over the weekend, celebrate and let's come back to who should be here next season or not (manager and players)
Muttley
Eidur Gudjohnsen
Moreso when that 2nd and 3rd trophy appear. I said the main word earlier - consistency. When we feel that a Spurs eleven take to the field and stop operating like a sin wave, it becomes way easier to find that constant belief. I get that some fans are happy for us to be a cup team and rise to only those occasions. Not this guy.
Off the field, I'm feeling like the club is finding the consistency. We have all the revenue streams and we have operating model now where there is no real excuse not to find high on-field levels of performance. That builds the belief in those key match moments and helps with the nagging doubts.
I'd also love us to make our stadium a fortress. All these things help.
This isn't really fair - discussions are a two way street and as long as talk is taken in certain directions that's where discussion will head.
Chrissivad
Michael Carrick
But you can teat that direction if you want to. I feel like its similar to bots on social where you just drop in something into random places and then move on to another place to post a re hash of the same thing.
I don't feel like there is intent to discuss some points (and im talking very small %) just here is my point, and I will keep saying it. both positive and negative.
Excellent post. That is exactly how I arrive at my levels of confidence before any game, major or not. I tipped us beforehand for a tight 1-0 win on Wednesday for the reasons you mentioned. Similarly I thought we had no chance against Liverpool in 2019 due to the vastly different form of the 2 teams going into the game. Some would call that negative. I call it realistic.